Conservative traditionalism and Progressive Feminism are two sides of the same coin when it comes to what they want from men's behaviour.

Alarming_Draw · 2021-10-31T21:35:49+00:00

Makes me laugh that feminists usually hate the hard right the most-yet they both treat men the same way-as tools to make money, as machines to be used, and disposed of when something better comes along. Both have so much in common yet its rarely mentioned.

the-first12 · 2021-10-31T12:55:21+00:00

Summary of this article in two words:

PUSSY POWER!

Itrusttheinternett · 2021-10-31T10:35:23+00:00

Summary: This article talks about historical contracts between the sexes and how they influence modern day opinion.

It illustrates how modern feminism and conservative traditionalism can be linked in wanting service from men as their goal for the benefit of society and women.

DavidByron2 · 2021-11-02T22:09:03+00:00

Said this for many years. Feminism is an offshoot of traditional conservatism. Feminism is right wing.

Banake · 2021-10-31T14:57:54+00:00

u/PeterWrightMGTOW is one of my favorite authors in this issue. :-)

Dronerman · 2021-10-31T09:20:56+00:00

I would disagree. Conservative traditionalism placed a lot of responsibilities upon men .They had to the money makers ,protective , ethical , responsible , strong mentally and psychically and in general the opposite of a what we call a simp today . Progressive Feminism on the other hand absolves women from having to accept any responsibility for their life's choices and instead chooses to blame men for all their problems.

applesanddragons · 2021-10-31T14:01:11+00:00

Lewis’s argument above that boys are juicing with testosterone and need “taming” reveals an unbroken, and mythical conception of men stemming from ancient times – and it is wrong. Men are not born as wild animals in a testosterone-fuelled psychosis waiting to tear people limb from limb

Here's my fundamental disagreement with this article and the title of this thread.

Lewis's argument is absolutely right. Protecting and providing is exactly the role of men. The difference between conservative traditionalism (Lewis) and progressive feminism is entitlement.

Progressive feminism says women are entitled to the protection and providing that men offer. The progressive feminist looks around at the unprecedented security and abundance in our society, assumes that those things are representative of a reasonable baseline of expectations, and then extrapolates the rest of her world view from there. "I deserve love. I deserve a wedding ring. I deserve a house. I deserve a car. I deserve loyalty."

Similarly, a conservative traditionalist says, yes, protecting and providing is the proper role of men. And that's correct. But not similarly, a conservative traditionalist says NO, neither a woman nor women collectively are entitled to the protection and providing that men offer, simply by virtue of being women. A woman should be expected to do as much characterological work as a man is in order to be worthy of a desirable and successful man.

Unlike the progressive feminist, the conservative traditionalist looks around at the unprecedented security and abundance in our society, and does NOT assume that those things are representative of a reasonable baseline of expectations, and then extrapolate the rest of her world view from there. There's gratitude for the security and abundance she was born into. "I'll earn love. I'll earn a wedding ring. I'll earn a house. I'll earn a car. I'll earn loyalty." That gratitude comes from good parenting.

This article criticizes the conservative traditionalist woman, which suggests to any individual man that the conservative traditionalist woman is to be avoided just like the progressive feminist. It suggests that a man should not settle for less than complete escape from the protector provider role.

The truth is that there is no escape from that role. When women skirt their responsibilities to be worthy of men, then successful men simply import traditional women from poorer countries to marry. Likewise, when men skirt their responsibilities to be worthy of women, then desirable women simply "import" manlier and more psychotic men by destabilizing their own society to the point that it can't defend itself against enemy countries.

The appropriate prescription, then, it to (A) man up, and (B) snatch up a conservative traditional woman.

Flat_Eric_1200 · 2021-10-31T19:25:55+00:00

Great article worth reading

Title	Conservative traditionalism and Progressive Feminism are two sides of the same coin when it comes to what they want from men's behaviour.
Author	Itrusttheinternett
Upvotes	118
Comments	31
Date	October 31, 2021 9:06 AM UTC (4 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
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