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A Reddit post about FGM being practiced today gets garners Platform-wide outrage about how FGM is inhuman, so why is it that MGM is still being widely practiced to this day and none of those people find it wrong?

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December 6, 2021
123 upvotes
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https://www.reddit.com/r/Documentaries/comments/r9die6/cut_exposing_fgm_2017_female_genital_mutilation/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
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Title A Reddit post about FGM being practiced today gets garners Platform-wide outrage about how FGM is inhuman, so why is it that MGM is still being widely practiced to this day and none of those people find it wrong?
Author

_the_redditor__

Upvotes 123
Comments 34
Date December 6, 2021 7:51 AM UTC
(4 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/ra1xev/a_reddit_post_about_fgm_being_practiced_today/
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/a-reddit-post-about-fgm-being-practiced-today-gets.1088419
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[–]Kindly-Town 32 points33 points34 points 4 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

These things add up to a big narrative that sexual assault is gendered. Look at men and women there how much disgust they are feeling. They are the same ones who will dismiss MGM as being harmful.

They are like the same person who believes climate change is not real just because he didn't study it.

Wait for sometime, a guy or a woman at the bottom of the comment section will defend how sexual assault of boys is fine.

[+]EnvironmentalWar4627 -22 points-21 points-20 points 4 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

There were 55 upvotes on the question "why do we call male genital mutilation circumcision then on the other hand say FGM is a human rights violation?"?

Seems the majority there were anti male genital mutilation.

Are you just upset that an article was about female genital mutilation and they didn't mention men enough for you?

[–]Kindly-Town 17 points18 points19 points 4 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

It has 9.7k upvotes.

why do we call male genital mutilation circumcision then on the other hand say FGM is a human rights violation?

Because people want to downplay MGM to make it look non-serious while for FGM they want this issue to be as critical as it can be.

Seems the majority there were anti male genital mutilation.

The post is about FGM. They are not talking about MGM.

Are you just upset that an article was about female genital mutilation and they didn't mention men enough for you?

No. Stop gaslighting like feminists. You have been in this sub from quite sometime and this is probably the only sub where you will get banned for arguing, yet you still don't understand the basics.

The point of this post is how men & women have collective activism against eradicating FGM while majority of people pushback against awareness of MGM, downplay it and call it a non-issue. How come thinking of people can be so subjective when both are sexual assault.

How come sexual assault of one gender is sexual assault but the sexual assault of the another is normal and cool?

[–]frustr8tion 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Neither of you is hearing the other.

[+]EnvironmentalWar4627 -18 points-17 points-16 points 4 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

The point of this post is how men & women have collective activism against eradicating FGM while majority of people pushback against awareness of MGM, downplay it and call it a non-issue. How come thinking of people can be so subjective when both are sexual assault.

So you're mad that an article is about FGM because you don't feel there's enough support for MGM? So you get mad at all those discussing FGM because they aren't discussing your problem.

[–]Kindly-Town 15 points16 points17 points 4 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

How do you figure out if someone is mad by just reading simple text? It's your projection because you are reading my text while being angry. That changes the perception.

Can't we discuss on inactivism on MGM when compared to FGM when both are exactly the same thing?

[+]EnvironmentalWar4627 -14 points-13 points-12 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

You compared them to climate change deniers just because they didn't talk about the issue you care most about. You're either mad or just...confused.

[–]Kindly-Town 11 points12 points13 points 4 years ago* (6 children) | Copy Link

No. I said when people dismiss MGM they behave exactly the same as how climate change deniers do just because they haven't studied climate change.

Their post is on FGM, I don't expect them to talk about MGM, it's us who are discussing inactivism against MGM but you seem to be angry about it.

Don't read my text in anger. It will cloud your view on what is said.

[+]EnvironmentalWar4627 -7 points-6 points-5 points 4 years ago* (5 children) | Copy Link

But did anyone on that reddit thread dismiss MGM? Or did you just accuse them of that for no reason?

[–]Kindly-Town 9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Their post is not about MGM. Why would they address MGM? Are you getting what this post is saying? Activism against MGM is silenced and not addressed like FGM. In fact there's a huge pushback against who make awareness against MGM.

You are not processing the information. You are stuck on how it's being delivered. Typical feminist brain.

[–]EnvironmentalWar4627 -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

So the answer is no. No one did dismiss MGM. You just accused them of it because you wanted to be angry at someone. I don't get that. Maybe it's my feminist brain... but I think making false accusations is wrong. Don't you agree?

[–]Kindly-Town6 points 4 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

I'm not even talking about what have they discussed. Are you even listening?

"Activism against MGM is silenced and not addressed like FGM. In fact there's a huge pushback against who make awareness against MGM."

I won't be replying there after if your argument is outside of the quoted text.

[–]EnvironmentalWar46270 points 4 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

"Look at men and women there how much disgust they are feeling. They are the same ones who will dismiss MGM as being harmful."

A direct quote from you. One that was clearly not true and now you're trying to defend it for some reason rather than admit you lied.

[–]Kindly-Town9 points 4 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

I'm referring to Reddit population in general. If you don't understand, that's not my problem. If yours English is better than mine, you can easily understand an average English sentence.

[–]AgentSears 10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I've had 2 day long arguments in subs about it it painful how it cool for one gender but horrific for another.

[–]Brad_Breath 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I’m in an argument like that right now. I don’t normally let Reddit get to me but I’m struggling.

My latest argument is to consider boys as cannon fodder to protect girls. MGM is a slippery slope to FGM. So make MGM illegal as a statement to double down on how bad FGM is.

Even the most callous hateful person can see that would help girls, right?

[–]Sudden_Example_2177 17 points18 points19 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This website is such a misandrist shithole.

That's why. Fucking simps.

[–]ZS_1171 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Feminism can spread misinformation, because they vastly outnumber us, spreading what people want to hear instead of the truth, they can do this as long as they want with no outside competition.

[–]nikQXOdZSPL0BIh 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You're taking a rather negative view of the posts there, there is a decent amount of support for anti MGM sentiment. Most of the negative responses are of the type "Don't bring men's issues into this female discussion," rather than being pro MGM.

Regardless, I personally can't muster much outrage about FGM. Sorry. There's a lot of fucked up shit that happens in oppressive shitholes. I can't spend every waking moment agonizing over it, especially when I can't do anything about it, and ESPECIALLY when the same thing happens in my backyard (but to boys, not girls) and no one bats an eye. That's imo the really telling thing about this discussion, how people (women especially) will get worked into an absolute furor over things that happen to women they will never meet 5000 miles away, and stay completely silent about the abuses that happen to their own (male) friends and family.

[–]maxlvb 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

FYI:

  • She also challenges some common misconceptions around FGC, such as the belief that it is forced on women by men. In fact, elderly women often do the most to perpetuate the custom. I thought African girls were held down and butchered against their will, but some of them voluntarily and joyfully partake in the ritual. I thought communities would surely abandon the practice once they learned of its negative health consequences. And yet, in Shell-Duncan’s experience, most people who practice FGC recognize its costs—they just think the benefits outweigh them.

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/04/female-genital-mutilation-cutting-anthropologist/389640/

And...

With the passage of the federal law ban, the Female Genital Mutilation Act, in 1996, performing FGM on anyone under age 18 became a felony in the United States.[8] However, in 2018, the act was stuck down as unconstitutional by US federal district judge Bernard A. Friedman in Michigan, who argued that the federal government did not have authority to enact legislation outside the "Interstate commerce" clause.[9] As part of the ruling, Friedman also ordered that charges be dropped against 8 people who had mutilated the genitals of 9 girls.[10][11] The Department of Justice decided not to appeal the ruling;[12] however, the US House of Representatives appealed it.[13] In 2021, the STOP FGM Act of 2020 was signed into law, and it gives federal authorities the power to prosecute those who carry out or conspire to carry out FGM, as well as increasing the maximum prison sentence from five to ten years. It also requires government agencies to report to Congress about the estimated number of females who are at risk of or have had FGM, and on efforts to prevent FGM.[14]

As of September 2021, 40 U.S. states have made specific laws that prohibit FGM, while the remaining 10 states have no specific laws against FGM.[15] The US has also participated in several UN resolutions that advocate for the eradication of FGM, including the UN's 1948 Universal Declaration of Human Rights, 1989 Convention on the Rights of the Child, and the Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination Against Women (CEDAW).[16][3][17]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_genital_mutilation_in_the_United_States

[–]grimreefer213 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What gets me is when people say “well that’s what the women are used to it looking like”, bitch I don’t give a shit about your feelings, the women for the last 99k years before you didn’t seem to care. Nobody cares about men’s feelings, it’s okay to abuse men, and surgically mutilate NON CONSENTING BOYS and everyone’s just okay with it. If you speak up about it then you’re the bad guy. If you don’t shut up and just serve women then you’re the asshole, oh you don’t think like the rest of us blue pilled idiots so there must be something wrong with you. What the hell happened to “my body my choice”?!? Where the hell is men’s CHOICE!!? It is so twisted, they just want to send us to war, slave and build society, pay the bills but we don’t have a say in our own lives?!?

[–]Algiz56 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Uh. As a EU based, I still can not comprehend,why? WHY? WHY?! Americans still do it. And how could you adopt this ... practice at all?

It is not even of your religion, Jesus! In Europe MGM was mostly associated with jews and muslims, and you do not want to be either jew or muslim in Europe like 99% of European history. Looks like this saved us from that madness.

Sorry. I did not mean to attak anybody. It is just non-medical circumcision being so horrendous thing, that it grinds my gears.

[–]dontpet 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago* (5 children) | Copy Link

I told a feminist friend that I'm angry that someone cut off the end of my penis when I was a baby. She was confused by my saying that, clarified I meant my circumcision, and responded by saying "but I like them that way".

Topic changed immediately and I was left in shock the rest of the evening.

[–]FaceYourEvil 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Ex friend ?

[–]dontpet 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah. We weren't very close. I don't hold a grudge about it but definitely don't want to hang out with her for that and other similar reasons.

[–]Algiz56 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

You could say her, that you like female labia FGM way.

Or that you like chienese "pretty lilly" legs.

[–]dontpet 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Little Chinese feet, the way they used to do them. Very feminine!

[–]Algiz56 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I like em this way. After all, who needs toes? They are vestigial and un needed.

/s

[–]Brad_Breath 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I was so sad reading that thread too. I had people arguing with me about it, and one was trying to make it into female vs male, or you vs me.

That’s just crazy to me. What is happening when adults can’t band together to protect newborn babies.

[–]cynical-mage 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I think it has to do with severity. Oh, mgm isn't so bad, look at fgm. Now, while true, these people need to realise that both are child abuse; one being 'worse' shouldn't take away from the other. Both need to stop. Cutting bits off kids for hygiene, for culture, for religion, whatever, is monstrous.

[–]duhhhh 11 points12 points13 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'll agree a clitoridectomy is awful and much worse than a typical circumcision. Feminists like to count FGM using one definition and then imply all FGM is clitoridectomy for political gain. However, FGM also includes a lot of stuff less bad than infant male circumcision and all FGM is bad, ergo MGM is also bad. There is also MGM worse than clitoridectomy as well such as recent pushes to physically castrate rapists. That can never be undone if the accused is found to be innocent later.

For example clit and labia piercings on sober consenting adults....

Women who have genital piercings will be recorded as having suffered female genital mutilation (FGM) under new NHS rules due to come into force next month.

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/women-with-vaginal-piercings-will-be-recorded-as-suffering-fgm-under-new-nhs-rules-10116464.html?amp

And a year later we hear about the epidemic of FGM perpetrated in the UK ... There has been a huge percentage increase! ... We need more funding! ... Except a couple news sources came out with some raw number details. Kinda sad when the dailymail is one of the few reporting the facts...

in the year to March 2017, only 57 were performed in the UK of which 50, or 87 per cent, were in the category for piercings, and all the women whose ages were known were over 18

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-5434125/amp/Almost-FGM-cases-Britain-legal-piercings.html

And a year later the data manipulation paid off...

Now eight walk-in FGM centres, in Birmingham, Bristol, Leeds and five London boroughs, will offer women aged over 18 expert care, NHS England says.

https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/uk-49677983

Likewise activists in Australia and the UK are pushing to get labiaplasty on adults categorized as FGM.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/aug/26/female-genital-mutilation-is-alive-in-australia-its-just-called-labiaplasty

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-health/11475276/Designer-vaginas-to-be-made-illegal-Have-MPs-gone-mad.html

To the point the medical community is concerned about being arrested or losing medical licenses over performing cosmetic surgery in the area of the vagina.

https://www.bmj.com/content/367/bmj.l6094

How about gender neutral legislation that stops all routine genital cosmetic procedures till the patient is 18 and under a doctors supervision? If piercings on adult women are bad, one would think we could get feminists to agree to stop genital mutilation of children, but most insist women are victims and men are not. Any discussion of MGM is categorized as derailing the real problem (FGM) or antisemitic by the majority of feminists. Why?

[–]Input_output_error 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I think it has to do with severity.

No, that isn't it. The only reason FGM is seen as more severe is because of cherry picking. The absolute worst form of FGM is put next to the least invasive form of MGM in order to make it look as if one thing is worse than the other.

You're right though, it shouldn't matter what is worse, cutting parts of baby genitals is just sick no matter to whom it is done.

[–]cynical-mage 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It needs to be stopped, how gm has been allowed to carry on into the 21st century is diabolical :(

[–]Neat_Light 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Often wondered the same. Seen some knicker fillers that could do with a snip in my time. But “OH NO - DON’T CUT OUR FLAPS!” No real need to cut cocks any more - barbaric if you think about it.

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