Women present here, what made you realize that men are suffering and feminism has just gone too far? And were you feminists once? If yes then how did the transition happen? If not then was there any particular incident which made any men in your family suffer? Or you already knew feminism is flawed?

SereneGoldfish · 2021-12-13T19:36:48+00:00

The current issue over drafting is unfair. If you want equality, then it should be true equality. Both sexes do the draft. Men getting screwed over alimony is unfair. I suspect that's an American thing though. I'm baffled as to why a man should support an ex wife. The kids, sure. To a reasonable degree. I think women being given automatic custody is unfair. There's a lot of great dads denied their kids and a psycho got custody just because she birthed them

sourdoughbreaditor · 2021-12-13T21:53:37+00:00

For me, it was a slow transition. I was a huge feminazi as a young adult, then I enlisted in the military and spent some time around differently minded adults. Started seeing the outrage machine around Cecil the Lion and a dentist from Edina, MN lose his practice because of the Twitter Mob. I started noticing more and more of that same toxic behavior on the internet, mostly tied to the left. Then I watched The Red Pill and started down that whole rabbit hole. Eventually I realized that modern feminism isn't about men and women being equal, it's about women being better. I can't get behind that nonsense. If it were about women being equal, feminism would have become obsolete when we had all of our legal rights. Feminism in its current form is honestly oppressive.

Then I learned about Jordan Peterson and Bret Weinstein and Douglas Murray and Joe Rogan and the transformation was complete lol

Idesmi · 2021-12-14T03:46:10+00:00

Feminism isn't your ignorant mother who sure believes in equality.

Feminism is based on lots of prominent author who had nothing better to do than state that all of their problems' are men's fault.

I considered myself a feminist all through growing up, I was (and am) more easily friends with women than with men too. I stopped being a feminist when I was full with so much bigger other problems that made me fed up with constantly hating myself.

In middle school I often had thoughts of cutting my penis off, because feminists kept telling me that sexual attraction towards women is wrong. I hoped I would one day wake up and be a girl and finally "be good". This is messed up and I wish no boy goes through this, just because he is born male, the bad sex.

Alas, I still support women's liberation. What changed is that I extended that wish to fellow men.

squishybats · 2021-12-13T19:52:24+00:00

when i had tiktok suddenly i came across few videos about this topic and i was like hmm makes sense

__subarulyfe__ · 2021-12-14T04:58:24+00:00

I live in Canada and all my life I always found that women were treated well. When I was young I was seeing men opening the door to my mom and myself. When I used to go to the gym I was struggling on the bench press and a man started running towards me like his life was on the line to help me out. My entire life I only saw kind men.

The only "bad" men I saw, I thought to myself "they are not all like him. He's just a psychopath" and you know what, I was right. The men raping, insulting women and basically just being bad guys are trash. That's not how average men are.

As soon as I understood that, at like, 12, I thought "wtf are they wasting their energy on" everytime I saw a North American feminist person

maxlvb · 2021-12-14T05:07:46+00:00

Here's the how and why I/we know feminism has become a failure...

It didn't take any once 'incident' to know that feminism today is a flawed hate ideology...

Just the hate for men from feminist founders and leaders like these...

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Man-hating is everywhere, but everywhere it is twisted and transformed, disguised, tranquilized, and qualified. It coexists, never peacefully, with the love, desire, respect, and need women also feel for men. Always man-hating is shadowed by its milder, more diplomatic and doubtful twin, ambivalence.

Judith Levine

I feel that ‘man-hating’ is an honorable and viable political act, that the oppressed have a right to class-hatred against the class that is oppressing them.

Robin Morgan, Ms. Magazine Editor

The nuclear family must be destroyed… Whatever its ultimate meaning, the break-up of families now is an objectively revolutionary process.

Linda Gordon, Feminist

I want to see a man beaten to a bloody pulp with a high-heel shoved in his mouth, like an apple in the mouth of a pig.

Andrea Dworkin, Feminist

Since marriage constitutes slavery for women, it is clear that the women’s movement must concentrate on attacking this institution. Freedom for women cannot be won without the abolition of marriage.

Sheila Cronin, the leader of the feminist organization NOW

Marriage as an institution developed from rape as a practice.

Andrea Dworkin, Feminist

The institution of sexual intercourse is anti-feminist.

Ti-Grace Atkinson, Feminist

Rape is nothing more or less than a conscious process of intimidation by which all men keep all women in a state of fear.

Susan Brownmiller, Feminist, Against Our Will p.6

Politically, I call it rape whenever a woman has sex and feels violated.

Catherine MacKinnon, Feminist

The proportion of men must be reduced to and maintained at approximately 10% of the human race.

Sally Miller Gearhart, in The Future – If There Is One – Is Female

If life is to survive on this planet, there must be a decontamination of the Earth. I think this will be accompanied by an evolutionary process that will result in a drastic reduction of the population of males.

Mary Daly, Feminist

And if the professional rapist is to be separated from the average dominant heterosexual (male), it may be mainly a quantitative difference.

Susan Griffin, Feminist, Rape: The All-American Crime

If anyone is prosecuted for filing a false report, then victims of real attacks will be less likely to report them.

David Angier, Feminist

Men who are unjustly accused of rape can sometimes gain from the experience.

Catherine Comins, Asst Dean at Vassa, Feminist.

As long as some men use physical force to subjugate females, all men need not. The knowledge that some men do suffices to threaten all women. He can beat or kill the woman he claims to love; he can rape women…he can sexually molest his daughters… THE VAST MAJORITY OF MEN IN THE WORLD DO ONE OR MORE OF THE ABOVE.

Marilyn French, Feminist Author

I believe that women have a capacity for understanding and compassion which man structurally does not have, does not have it because he cannot have it. He’s just incapable of it.

Barbara Jordan, former Congresswoman, Feminist.

Women have their faults / men have only two: / everything they say / everything they do.

Popular Feminist Graffiti

“Hatred of men is actually brave and courageous and we need to celebrate the women who are willing to openly display their hatred towards men.”

Psychologist/Feminist. Tracey Brimmer

I feel like a lot of male Feminists are like that animal that we tried to introduce to eradicate pests, and they've become more annoying than the original pest."

Becky Lucas

Men need feminism like bicycles need fish.

YaraPriest · 2021-12-14T12:06:50+00:00

What made me realise that men are suffering?

I've lived through two wars. I have seen men experience a lot of suffering, suffering to the benefit of everyone but themselves. One of these two wars took place in a country where tens of thousands of men refusing to serve for conciouncicus reasons were killed and tens of thousands more imprisoned never to be seen again. I often come across people that talk and write about forced military service without realising just how bad it can be for the best of men.
I have worked and lived in third world countries where I have seen males of all ages, particularly children, children as young as ten, even younger, work the streets in 50 degree celsius heats 24/7/365, to provide for their families, to feed their mothers and sisters, and to send their sisters to school whilst they remain deprived not only an education, but also a childhood. Most such children are exposed to violence, terrorism, exploitation, manipulation and drugs. Many never make it to adulthood. They are treated as though they are disposable. Point of interest: 80% of street children are male, but many organisations devote most of their efforts fighting this phenomenon to the 20% of girls. Again, like most other types of male suffering, this suffering that afflicts young males, is suffering that often benefits others, often women.
I read The Manipulated Man by Esther Vilar, the first book I read in anti-feminism. This book opened my eyes to a whole new perspective in life foreign to me at the time that I read it, an androcentric perspective as opposed to a gynocentric one, which is what I was normally used to. It helped encourage me to look at life differently, to see the whole picture.

The reasons that I have cited above are just a small handful of many others.

What made me realise that feminism has gone too far?

Nothing has ever surprised me about feminism. It has since its inception been a highly perverse ideology, rotten to the core. It has always sought to destroy the family. It has always sought to redefine gender. It has always promoted sexual aberrations. It has always waged a relentless war against men the aim of which was clearly from the start the control and subjugation of men. It has always been rife with deception. It has always been radical. It has always been extreme.

Was I ever a feminist?

No. I have never been a feminist.

I began researching feminism a long time ago after I was exposed to it at school. A few years into this journey, I came to a certain conclusion that feminism was a flawed ideology. I strongly believe in opposing evil. So, I began opposing feminism. I became an anti-feminist.

I have not always thought that feminism is flawed. I came to this realisation only after researching feminism.

Particular incidents of male suffering in my life?

Thousands.

One of my most recent involves a male colleague of mine at university, one of the most intelligent, disciplined, hardworking and moral human beings I have ever come across in my life.

He was a genius medical student, so intelligent he was allowed to not attend classes and he was automatically awarded full marks in some of his exams, exams which he was allowed not to attend.

He spent three quarters of his time at university in the library studying. Most of the girls in our year had a crush on him. Most of our lecturers were afraid of him. Whenever he attended their classes he would point out their mistakes. He completely changed our lectures. One of his corrections was of a mistake so huge, it led to an investigation of staff at our university.

He was one of the nicest, kindest, most helpful human beings that I have ever met. Students that had trouble in our course would seek him out for help and he would sit with them for hours explaining things to them. Everyone knew where to find him, in the library on the third floor in one of the six private study rooms that we have on that floor. I once came in at 2 am in the morning and found him sleeping in there. I spoke to our librarian about this and she told me that he did that often, that whenever she was in office, she never saw him leave the library until 5 am in the morning. He was there even during holidays. He knew more in medicine than most of our most experienced professors, most of them consultants with decades of experience practicing medicine.

The head of our department at university, in collaboration with three other senior female academics, one of the largest trade unions in the UK and one of the largest publishers in the world, plagiarised a research proposal that he had submitted to the university before expelling him with the help of false accusations concocted by a feminist on our course, envious of him because he rejected her advances. They are currently travelling around the country presenting his work as their own. They destroyed his life. He suffers from PTSD. He refuses to talk to people. He refuses to pick up my calls. He lives in total isolation. He is in his 30s and all of his hair has greyed out. They destroyed the life of a rising star in the world of medicine all for corrupt personal gains.

This experience of mine is one of the many reasons why I always burst out in laughter whenever I hear a feminist claim men steal the inventions of women and attribute them to themselves.

Stachbl13 · 2021-12-15T01:31:26+00:00

Getting beaten up by a feminist for disagreeing with her treatment…

Kiberbirdo · 2021-12-13T22:21:32+00:00

Simple. I saw many men, including myself, being treated badly by the opposite sex. I am talking getting money stolen that I needed for a medical emergency and that kind of shit (no the kind of oo she didn't want to have sex with me feminism myth), and the women being the gatekeeper of sex just ignores her bad behavior and jumps to another guy. This last fact reminds of a quote , "law wisely gave women so little power because nature gave them so much". So basically I saw a lot of women getting away with bad behavior. If this is "pathriarchy" then I want to push for more pathriarchy. How can they claim that we are privileged when this kind of behavior from your part is accepted? And drives us to suicide?

mercinarary · 2021-12-14T03:59:01+00:00

Being a feminist and caring about men’s issues are not mutually exclusive. There are certain issues that are “gendered”. Feminism addresses issues where women are disadvantaged. Putting down men is not a mandate of feminism and feminism is not an organization. It’s a MOVEMENT. It means different things to different people but the end goal is to achieve gender equity.

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