3 women conclude it's all men's fault- didn't see that comin'...

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The link you have provided has nothing to do with what you've stated.

It provides a review of divorce rates for couples who have had 1, 2-3, 4-6 and 7+ partners. It does not reference men or women specifically, just people in a partnership who have individually had sexual partners. So if I'd had 1, and my partner had 7, we would not qualify for this study. If I'd had 4, and my partner had 6, we would qualify.

It also compares college educated to non-college educated, and shows that college educated divorce at lower rates under the same sexual partners concept.

This study provides no conclusions whatsoever, all it states is that more sex partners = more chance of divoce, whether you're male or female.

It's also a study which uses data between 2006-2010, which is most definitely outdated at this point.

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I cannot believe yours is the highest comment here. Body count. She's not a fucking sniper you twat.

This issue has nothing at all, to do with the number of sexual partners anyone has. It's about a space for one partner to tell the other about their level of satisfaction. And the dynamics that feed into that.

I don't know why we can't all just admit men take 5-10 minutes and women take 10-15 minutes to satisfy. Build that into sex education/ expectation. When you cum it ain't over. Its literally that simple. We don't need to have all this aggro. Men: Expect to Keep At It after you Cum. That's just the physical nature of the situation. And wear a condom. Women already know this shit. Sex is rarely over after she cums, if the situation was reversed. Once, twice, maybe. Mostly, the fella cums first.

If we all just admitted this is how orgasms work, men and women would have much better sex lives. I don't think we have to fight so much.

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I think I came off a bit snarky in my responses to you here, it wasn't my intention, I was more musing. I didn't realise it at the time. I often expect a big negative response on this sub, which to be honest I always get, it makes me defensive at times. Not your fault, thank you for your response. Anyway.

If I can speak to women's experience, right, if they insist on the sex still going after the endocrine crash, it can seem a bit desperate. And women = desperate doesn't look good. So they don't do it. They're playing the long game to train this guy in so he knows how to pleasure them.

Then, the talking. Women find it hard to communicate what they like because if you come off as demanding or sexually confident the man can ( not all men) feel sexually insecure, or think you're "too forward"( they wonder have you fucked the world, essentially or will you be too domineering). That's strong I know but often guys like to feel in control. That's not always true but even quieter guys often enjoy being dominant in the bedroom. I've had two close partners make fun of me for years for being upfront about what I wanted. Don't feel bad for me, I used the same dynamic and made fun of them into figuring out how to pleasure me too ( none of it was mean spirited but looking back there's definitely a better way to communicate.)

So I still do communicate ( no longer in jokes ) and it's easier now but back then it seemed like such a hard thing to say in case the person took it badly.. There is an added level of embarrassment around sex for both parties. You want to be satisfied but you don't want to hurt feels.

It must be frustrating for men too to know they haven't satisfied their partners. I think we need to normalise that conversation after the man cums. Get a buzzy toy for the clit and a dildo and get involved, enjoy the show.

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I get where you're coming from, but I feel you've also slightly misunderstood where the posted is coming from.

You don't just have to smash your dick into her, you can use hands, fingers, mouth...toes probably if you're feeling it. The build-up and journey is as important as the ending, and it generally takes a learning period with any partner to figure out how to make it excel.

For men, it's easy and women never have to figure anything out. You stroke it, it's good. It's literally that simple. Stick a finger up the bum for a prostate massage if you're feeling fancy.

Women vary probably a little more, in that not all of them orgasm from penetration (minority apparently), and that external pressure is better.

Education done, onto the not fair bit. The emphasis is on the man providing the pleasure. Which is pretty fucking difficult considering women are so different. It's a major difference when you meet a woman who knows what she wants, and what pleases her, and is willing to just tell you. Makes life so much easier. Outside of that, communication is key.

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Yeah... smashing a soft dick on the outside of the pussy... feels fucking amazing let me tell you.

Well, the fact that you posted this certainly made me go down that route. Because you seem to think that after a man has cum, his only option to continue to please a woman must be to smash a dick against her. He couldn't just....go down on her and finish her off that way? Use his fingers, kiss her thighs, make it a bit about her after you've had your fill?

Sexually educated people call the use of your hands and mouth "foreplay".

No, sexually educated people call it sex. People who base their idea of sex based on what they've seen in porn call it foreplay. Does sex also have to have a standard workflow? Handjob -> Blowjob -> Play with tits -> Cunnilingus -> Missionary -> Cowgirl -> Reverse cowgirl -> Doggy -> Lay back feet in the air -> Cumshot on her face whilst she's kneeling?

And I guess during or after if you're okay with slurping down your own cum. I assume most guys aren't, for obvious reasons.

During, involves your own cum? Sure, may be some pre-cum mixed in there, but what's a bit of pre-cum between friends. After may do, if you haven't used a condom, and if you came inside her as opposed to on her, or in her mouth, or any other various options. As for tasting your own cum, maybe men should get a bit more used to this? Most men seem to find it acceptable for a woman to taste herself, but it's abhorrent for men to do the same?

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Stereotype? I was basing it on my own sexual experience. And of course it's not every man, or women for that matter. But good for you! Tell your boy friends your experiences and tricks. Ask your girl friends if they're vocal about what they like. Talk it out. The more we normalise talking about pleasure the easier it becomes. Maybe you just always got it but given how frequent it is and unspoken, not everyone does. It's nothing to be ashamed about. Well, unless they don't care about your pleasure in which case yes. That's pretty shameful.

I do tell my girl friends to be vocal about what they like. You wouldn't believe how many came back and said the guy didn't seem to like it. But that's why I tell people to talk about it. If it's normalised people will feel more open to be vocal and won't feel insecure if they are told. A better future for fucking!

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Sex is a two way street my guy. Otherwise your just masturbating with a persons body and that doesn’t make quality sex that women want

Yes, it is supposed to be a two way street my guy. And yet straight women virtually do nothing in bed. They lie on their back or on their knees. That’s it. Which is why straight women need to take some more initiative in bed. Men are responsible for their own, so why shouldn’t women be responsible for their own?

The most most women do for men in bed is simply allow him to stick his penis in her, then the rest is down to him. His orgasm, his responsibility, her orgasm his responsibility too apparently, while she gets to lie there and hardly do anything. Doesn’t sound like a fair split to me.

Women need to take initiative and communicate and touch themselves and help themselves get there. They have no right to complain if they literally do nothing to help themselves orgasm and simply expect men to just figure it out on their own.

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Sounds like you’re just mad at biology.

Not mad, I just don’t understand how people can complain when they don’t even try and help themselves orgasm. There’s plenty women can do, and they don’t do it. They expect men to do all the work.

That’s how sex works, but women don’t finish from 7 minutes. It’s just greedy to assume otherwise. While you’re done she’s got nothing to work with.

So you admit it is easier for men to orgasm. Great. And this situation doesn’t just apply to men coming in 7 minutes. Even if he lasts for 20, many women will still not take any initiative in that time frame. No suggestion to change position like her on top, and they won’t touch themselves. There are plenty of positions where women are able to touch themselves while a man is penetrating them.

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Idk what kind of women are you sleeping with. You need to set the scene and take initiative.

And what does she do? She doesn’t need to help me the scene? She doesn’t need to take initiative for her own orgasm? She doesn’t have to do anything, just lie there and enjoy the ride?

Have you brought out toys or did anything that gives her pleasure?

Yes. Im talking in general terms. Not necessarily specific to me. Why is it my responsibility to get toys? She can’t do that?

Why wouldn’t you want your partner to finish?

I do. Again, I’m just saying I don’t understand how women can complain about not finishing when so many of them do absolutely nothing to help themselves finish. They (and you) seem to think they shouldn’t have to do anything but lie there and be pleasured because sex is 100% the man’s responsibility. See, you’re doing it now. I say women should help themselves orgasm and you say I don’t want her to orgasm. Do women have any responsibility in sex?

Vaginal sex isn’t going to make a woman cum that doesn’t mean it’s more difficult for her to have an orgasm.

I’m well aware women mostly have orgasm from clitoral stimulation. Which is exactly why I’m saying women should touch their clitoris while having sex. But many of them don’t. They expect the man to do all the work.

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Title	3 women conclude it's all men's fault- didn't see that comin'...
Author	squawker11
Upvotes	69
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Date	February 3, 2022 9:35 PM UTC (4 years ago)
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