This is the conventional response that unwanted men typically get. What am I supposed to do with this information? The reason the red pill is so seductive is because it assigns causes and effects in dating (even if they are not true). If you cannot get a girl, then you must be ugly. If you aren’t respected by women, it must be because you aren’t psychologically dominating them.

I understand this is bullshit, but at least they attempt to answer the question of finding someone.

Is the only solution to being an incel really to 1) work on yourself and 2) wait? At what point does waiting become unreasonable? 25? 30? 35? At what point am I justified in my understanding of the world? To me, this is basically just an optimistic version of the black pill. Why do you say this?