I mean, most women don’t get it. I joined as someone who was influenced somewhat of red pill ideas, mostly PUAs. Never hated women or thought they are stupid. Just thought that I could improve my social skills in order to be more attractive. It did meant a lot of trying to go out and talk to girls and maybe some unhealthy standards.

I was looking for a place to talk to friends ex red pill who see the world more nuanced now to discuss.

Most comments how just about how pathetic the guys are. They are not, just some dudes trying to improve themselves. Now it does get toxic, I know that. But believe me a healthy amount of get yourselves seriously nothing will come unless you proactively do something towards it is a good advice for most men.

And believe me, when women here says about looks or being masculine that it is nonsense. It really is not and it’s fine. You know men want beautiful women and it’s ok, the other way around as well