Be careful about aiming activism too much at disaffected young men that become rightwing. A poll about Great Replacement Theory shows the idea that a sense of alienation (even among men of color) contributing to men moving to the right wing can instead be more explained by xenophobia and racism.

a-man-from-earth · 2022-06-10T22:51:19+00:00

We don't aim our activism at any specific group of men. We advocate for all men.

But I do think we are firm enough in our egalitarian convictions that we can engage with such disaffected young men who find themselves seduced into the right wing, and try to show them that there are still people on the left who care about male issues, and try to convince them that egalitarian values would make for a better world.

Of course we should be firm in not tolerating bigotry to be expressed in our communities. But that doesn't mean we should ignore the legitimate concerns these young men may have.

bottleblank · 2022-06-10T20:23:51+00:00

I was writing a response to this, but in trying to do so I realised I don't actually know what you (or this survey) are saying. Could you clarify a little on what it and this post are intending to show?

rochesterslim · 2022-06-11T01:48:29+00:00

‘disaffected’ always annoys me. We’re all disaffected as men tbh. But i don’t become a racist. I’m an MRA but some men (and women) I really hate because they’re twats. I’m not going to pretend I care about a young man who is a neo nazi i’ll be real.

throwaway20210821 · 2022-06-10T18:42:29+00:00

In particular, Sort by GRT - Jewish People > By Race (4 category) > Trump - Voters or Trump - Voters 2020

It's been an emerging theme in the MRM to show sympathy to disaffected young men that drift to the right, many of whom are said to have turned to figures like Trump or become more favorable towards right wing ideas. However, the reasons they do so should be examined closely to avoid unintentionally sympathizing with those that really are more concerned about racial and cultural homogeneity and hardline traditionalist stances.

One thing that stands out: it is among Trump voters (which include the men that have been said to drift to the right wing out of feelings of alienation and including non-white Black and Hispanic men on the right wing that are typically thought to have much less focus or feelings of xenophobia and more expression of feeling betrayed by liberals) that feelings that they are being replaced by others in the context of racist and anti-semitic reactionary theories is particularly prevalent. This is not prevalent in any where the same levels with Biden voters, independent voters and registered voters as a whole.

The MRM should not necessarily disregard when the media (which does have a feminist bias) points out that many concerns about disaffected young men, "economic anxiety" and feeling like they are struggling or falling behind can be more driven by racism, xenophobia and anti-semitism, instead of mis-attributed feelings of failing to identify the real causes of why they are falling behind and struggling.

This is by no means a cut and dry issue, men can still struggle even separate from carrying very repugnant and reactionary views because of economic factors, but caution should still be exercised. Otherwise, the MRM (specifically left wing oriented men's rights movements) can leap headfirst into embracing men that really have other concerns other than men's rights and don't value solidarity or consideration with and of all men in the struggle for attaining men's rights.

Razorbladekandyfan · 2022-06-12T10:55:01+00:00

I agree, these "disaffected young men" feminists demand we endorse,

they don't have the same concerns.

They are perfectly capable of having separate concerns.

It is entirely possible for them to both struggle because males are discriminated against while having priorities to establish a racial, cultural and normalcy standard that existed in the 1950s to 1980s (and arguably from the 1990s to the time pre Great Recession) in the western world that many people would typically think only white religious right types would want.

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