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AyWhatITIS · 2022-07-04T22:05:02+00:00

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Duuuuuude, that happened to my cousin for about a year, until she abandoned the kids, and disappeared. Then daddy government showed up on my cousin's doorstep a year later, threatening to take him to jail for not paying child support for the last year... The last year that he had sole custody of both children. He had to send a letter to the governor, to get and audience with him (or something like that. By "audience" I think they sent emails back and forth.), to get it (the state) to stop harassing him and trying to take him to court over missed child support.

She still doesn't pay.

She has 2 other kids with another man, who also has sole custody, who she also doesn't pay child support to.

Just goes to show, the few times men do get custody it's because the woman literally turned her back on them, and was able to get away scot free.

Conversation my cousin's new wife overheard his daughters having:

D(younger sister): when's mom gonna come see us? C(older sister): she's not. D:what? C: she's not. D: why not? C: mom never saw ______ and ______(their two older half sisters that their mother also abandoned). She's not coming back. She doesn't love us.

I think c was 8, and d was 6. That's a fucked conversation for children to be having... Also how can you abandon your child of 6 years....... Like honestly. She was at home with them, every single day... She didn't work. It's so disheartening...

Women arent the problem(some are), this whole system is. Why would anyone stay with the person they married, when they can cheat on them, get paid, and find someone new to help support them even further. Hell, even the govt gives them extra handouts for being a "single" parent. Especially when the opposite gender is indoctrinated to be the provider, and self sacrificer, for women.

Luckily there are some women out there with some tegridy.

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“Contrary to conventional wisdom, when it comes to sex, less experience is better, at least for the marriage,” said W. Bradford Wilcox, a sociologist and senior fellow at the Institute for Family Studies (and an Atlantic contributor). In an earlier analysis, Wolfinger found that women with zero or one previous sex partners before marriage were also least likely to divorce, while those with 10 or more were most likely.

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Khazan, O. (2018, October 22). Fewer Sex Partners Means a Happier Marriage. The Atlantic. Retrieved July 7, 2020, from https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2018/10/sexual-partners-and-marital-happiness/573493/

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The residents of Promiscuous America are predictable in many ways. They’re less likely to be married and more likely to be divorced.

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Wolfinger, N. H. (2018, April 18). Promiscuous America: Smart, secular, and somewhat less happy. Institute for Family Studies. Retrieved December 13, 2021, from https://ifstudies.org/blog/promiscuous-america-smart-secular-and-somewhat-less-happy

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The findings from this study demonstrate that the number of sexual partners participants had was negatively associated with sexual quality, communication, and relationship stability, and for one age cohort relationship satisfaction, even when controlling for a wide range of variables including education, religiosity, and relationship length. (pg.715)

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Busby, D. M., Willoughby, B. J., & Carroll, J. S. (2013). Sowing wild oats: Valuable experience or a field full of weeds? Personal Relationships, 20(4), 706–718.

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Generally speaking, respondents who report extensive premarital sexual experience report extensive extramarital activity. Measures of the locus of first intercourse and number of premarital partners show positive associations with (1) rating one's marriage as less happy than average (pg.221-222)

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Athanasiou, R., & Sarkin, R. (1974). Premarital sexual behavior and postmarital adjustment. Archives of Sexual Behavior, 3(3), 207–225.

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Further, for women, having had fewer sexual partners before marriage was also related to higher marital quality. This doesn’t mean that sex before marriage will doom a marriage, but sex with many different partners may be risky if you’re looking for a high-quality marriage…We further found that the more sexual partners a woman had had before marriage, the less happy she reported her marriage to be. This association was not statistically significant for men. (pg.5-6)

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Rhoades, G., Stanley, S., & National Marriage Project (Rutgers University). (2014). Before 'I do': What do premarital experiences have to do with marital quality among today's young adults?. Charlottesville, VA: National Marriage Project, University of Virginia. http://nationalmarriageproject.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/NMP-BeforeIDoReport-Final.pdf

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Our results also confirmed the prediction that men and women who had more experience with short-term relationships in the past (i.e., those with high Behavior facet scores) were more likely to have multiple sexual partners and unstable relationships in the future. (pg. 1131)

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Penke, L., & Asendorpf, J. B. (2008). Beyond global sociosexual orientations: a more differentiated look at sociosexuality and its effects on courtship and romantic relationships. Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, 95(5), 1113–1135.

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For women marrying since the start of the new millennium: Women with 10 or more partners were the most likely to divorce

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Wolfinger, N. H., PhD. (2016, June 6). Counterintuitive Trends in the Link Between Premarital Sex and Marital Stability. Institute for Family Studies. Retrieved August 24, 2020, from https://ifstudies.org/blog/counterintuitive-trends-in-the-link-between-premarital-sex-and-marital-stability

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The women who divorced early in life were higher in neuroticism; had more tense, less close, and more unstable families of origin; were less puritanical in their attitudes; and had more premarital romantic and sexual experience than the stably married women (pg.31-32)

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Kelly, E. L., & Conley, J. J. (1987). Personality and compatibility: a prospective analysis of marital stability and marital satisfaction. Journal of personality and social psychology, 52(1), 27–40.

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Women who serially cohabited and/or had premarital sex with someone besides their husband had higher odds of marital dissolution than women who never cohabited. Teachman’s findings suggest that both sexual history and cohabitation history influence marital stability. (pg.4)

Serial cohabitors’ higher number of sexual and cohabiting partners suggests that they have a longer history of dissolved relationships -- i.e., sexual, (most likely dating) and cohabiting relationships – that they bring to their cohabiting and later marital relationships. This relationship experience may affect the quality and stability of their cohabiting relationship and the odds of marrying their cohabiting partners. Consistent with Teachman (2003), who found that both sexual and cohabiting partnerships significantly predicted the odds of marital dissolution, our findings suggest that studies of union formation and stability should consider the full range of sexual experiences in early adulthood. (pg.11)

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Cohen, J., & Manning, W. (2010). The relationship context of premarital serial cohabitation. Social Science Research, 39(5), 766–776.

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When compared with their peers who report fewer partners, those who self-report 20 or more in their lifetime are:

Twice as likely to have ever been divorced (50 percent vs. 27 percent)

Substantially less happy with life (p < 0.05) (pg.88-89)

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Regnerus, M. (2017). Cheap sex: The transformation of men, marriage, and monogamy.

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Second, intimates’ sociosexuality was negatively associated with their average (across all assessments) marital and sexual satisfaction; relatively unrestricted (vs. restricted) intimates reported lower marital and sexual satisfaction. (pg.7)

Data drawn from two independent, longitudinal studies of newlywed couples provided support for our predictions. Specifically, unrestricted (vs. restricted) intimates began their marriages less satisfied and remained less satisfied over time; although intimates with unrestricted (vs. restricted) partners began their marriages no more or less satisfied, they experienced steeper declines in satisfaction over time.^² Notably, unrestricted partner sociosexuality indirectly predicted marital dissolution through intimates’ declines in marital satisfaction. (pg.11)

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French, J. E., Altgelt, E. E., & Meltzer, A. L. (2019). The implications of sociosexuality for marital satisfaction and dissolution. Psychological Science, 30(10), 1460–1472.

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Over half of women who only had sex with their husbands high quality marriages reported high quality marriages
Slightly over 40% of women who had sex with 2-10 partners reported higher quality marriages
Less than 25% of women who had sex with 10+ partners reported higher quality marriages

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Rampell, C. (2014, August 26). In marriages, what happens in Vegas may not stay in Vegas. The Washington Post. http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/rampage/wp/2014/08/26/in-marriages-what-happens-in-vegas-may-not-stay-in-vegas/

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Women with 10+ sexual partners were 14.53x more likely to divorce than women who had only been with their husbands and over twice as likely to divorce than women with 2-4 sexual partners (pg.7, table 3)

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Jackson, S. E., Yang, L., Veronese, N., Koyanagi, A., López Sánchez, G. F., Grabovac, I., Soysal, P., & Smith, L. (2019). Sociodemographic and behavioural correlates of lifetime number of sexual partners: findings from the English Longitudinal Study of Ageing. BMJ sexual & reproductive health, 45(2), 138–146.

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Those with a more unrestricted sociosexuality — meaning those who were more inclined towards casual sex — tended to begin their marriages less satisfied and remain less satisfied over time. And people with more unrestricted partners tended to experience steeper declines in satisfaction, which in turn predicted marital dissolution.

“When people couple up, they (and their partners) enter into relationships with their own personal relationship histories — if those histories include a cast of previous ‘no-strings-attached’ sexual partners and/or acceptance toward casual sex, then staying in a satisfying, long-term relationship (such as marriage) may be more difficult,” French told PsyPost.

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Dolan, E. W. (2019, November 5). New psychology research indicates your sociosexual orientation could make your marriage more difficult. PsyPost. Retrieved December 12, 2021, from https://www.psypost.org/2019/11/new-psychology-research-indicates-your-sociosexual-orientation-could-make-your-marriage-more-difficult-54765

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And obviously, having multiple sexual partners makes it difficult to sustain a healthy relationship.

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Iliades, C., & Bass III MD MPH, P. (n.d.). Is there a price to pay for promiscuity? EverydayHealth.Com. Retrieved December 23, 2021, from http://www.everydayhealth.com/longevity/can-promiscuity-threaten-longevity.aspx

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Factors found to facilitate infidelity

Number of sex partners: Greater number of sex partners before marriage predicts infidelity

As might be expected, attitudes toward infidelity specifically, permissive attitudes toward sex more generally and a greater willingness to have casual sex and to engage in sex without closeness, commitment or love (i.e., a more unrestricted sociosexual orientation) are also reliably related to infidelity (pg.71)

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Fincham, F. D., & May, R. W. (2017). Infidelity in romantic relationships. Current opinion in psychology, 13, 70–74.

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A truism in psychology is that the best predictor of future behavior is past behavior. This is no less true in the realm of sexual behavior. Indeed, one of the strongest predictors of marital infidelity is one’s number of prior sex partners (pg.6)

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Haselton, M. G., Buss, D. M., Oubaid, V., & Angleitner, A. (2005). Sex, Lies, and Strategic Interference: The Psychology of Deception Between the Sexes. Personality and Social Psychology Bulletin, 31(1), 3–23.

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Men apparently assess and evaluate levels of sexual activity by a woman prior to long-term commitment—behavior that would have been observable or known through social reputation in the small-group lifestyles of our ancestors. Past behavior is a good predictor of future behavior, and having a large number of sex partners prior to marriage is a statistical predictor of infidelity after marriage (pg.92)

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Buss, D. M., & Schmitt, D. P. (2019). Mate preferences and their behavioral manifestations. Annual Review of Psychology, 70, 77–110.

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it would appear that the premaritally experienced females were more inclined to accept coitus with males other than their husbands after marriage. (pg.427)

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Kinsey, A. C., Pomeroy, W. B., Martin, C. E., & Gebhard, P. H. (1953). Sexual behavior in the human female. Saunders.

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the odds ratio of 1.13 for lifetime sexual partners obtained with the face-to-face mode of interview indicates that the probability of infidelity increased by 13% for every additional lifetime sexual partner (pg.150)

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Whisman, M. A., & Snyder, D. K. (2007). Sexual infidelity in a national survey of American women: Differences in prevalence and correlates as a function of method of assessment. Journal of Family Psychology, 21(2), 147–154.

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Generally speaking, respondents who report extensive premarital sexual experience report extensive extramarital activity. Measures of the locus of first intercourse and number of premarital partners show positive associations with (1) rating one's marriage as less happy than average, (2) the number of different extramarital partners, and (3) the intention to participate in mate-swapping activities (pg.221-222)

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Athanasiou, R., & Sarkin, R. (1974). Premarital sexual behavior and postmarital adjustment. Archives of Sexual Behavior, 3(3), 207–225.

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promiscuity is in fact a good predictor of infidelity. Indeed, promiscuity among females accounted for almost twice as much variance in infidelity (r² = .45) as it did for males (r² = .25). (pg.177)

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Hughes, S. M., & Gallup, G. G., Jr. (2003). Sex differences in morphological predictors of sexual behavior: Shoulder to hip and waist to hip ratios. Evolution and Human Behavior, 24(3), 173–178.

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Sexual promiscuity was significantly positively correlated with emotional promiscuity [r(356) = .261, p < .001], as well with sexual infidelity [r(323) = .595, p < .001] and emotional infidelity [r(323) = .676, p < .001] (pg.390)

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Pinto, R., & Arantes, J. (2017). The Relationship between Sexual and Emotional Promiscuity and Infidelity. Athens Journal of Social Sciences, 4(4), 385–398.

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Each additional sex partner between age 18 and the first union increased the net odds of infidelity by 1% (pg.56)

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Treas, J., & Giesen, D. (2000). Sexual Infidelity Among Married and Cohabiting Americans. Journal of Marriage and Family, 62(1), 48–60.

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A preliminary ANOVA analysis revealed that individuals reporting a past history of infidelity tended to have a greater number of past sexual partners than those without a history of infidelity (controlling for age; M = 3.78 versus 1.24), F(1,376) = 52.16, p < .001, d = .81. (pg.351)

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Barta, W. D., & Kiene, S. M. (2005). Motivations for infidelity in heterosexual dating couples: The roles of gender, personality differences, and sociosexual orientation. Journal of Social and Personal Relationships, 22(3), 339–360.

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Subjects reporting sex with men other than their husbands while they were married (who were 23% of the ever-married subjects) were significantly younger at first intercourse [17.7 versus 20.0 years, t(279) = 5.6, p < 0.011 and reported significantly more sexual partners [24.5 versus 3.9, t(280) = 6.5, p < 0.011 than did ever-married women who reported no extramarital affairs. (pg.150)

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Essock-Vitale, S. M., & McGuire, M. T. (1985). Women's lives viewed from an evolutionary perspective: I. Sexual histories, reproductive success, and demographic characteristics of a random sample of American women. Ethology & Sociobiology, 6(3), 137–154.

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A central purpose of this research was to identify correlates of betrayal. In addition to attitudes toward betrayal, a number of other factors were found to be associated with acts of betrayal. As predicted, such factors as sexual permissiveness, an avoidant romantic style, number of romantic relationships, and early onset of sexual intercourse were all correlated with a higher incidence of betrayal behaviors. These factors are likely to promote sexual activity with a larger number of partners, which, in turn, increases the chance that betrayal will occur. (pg.247)

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Feldman, S. S., & Cauffman, E. (1999). Your cheatin' heart: Attitudes, behaviors, and correlates of sexual betrayal in late adolescents. Journal of Research on Adolescence, 9(3), 227–252.

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Multivariate model fitting to infidelity and number of sexual partners (log transformed) confirmed that a Cholesky model containing parameters for additive genetic factors and the unique environment, but without shared environmental factors, provided the best explanation of the observed correlation between the two variables. The resulting genetic correlation between the two traits was .47, so nearly half the genes impacting on infidelity also affect number of sexual partners. (pg.652-653)

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Cherkas, L., Oelsner, E., Mak, Y., Valdes, A., & Spector, T. (2004). Genetic Influences on Female Infidelity and Number of Sexual Partners in Humans: A Linkage and Association Study of the Role of the Vasopressin Receptor Gene (AVPR1A). Twin Research, 7(6), 649-658.

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The residents of Promiscuous America are predictable in many ways. They’re less likely to be married and more likely to be divorced. They’re several times as likely as their less adventurous peers to have cheated on a spouse.

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Wolfinger, N. H. (2018, April 18). Promiscuous America: Smart, secular, and somewhat less happy. Institute for Family Studies. Retrieved December 13, 2021, from https://ifstudies.org/blog/promiscuous-america-smart-secular-and-somewhat-less-happy

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As it relates to sexual history later in life, promiscuity is linked to a higher likelihood of cheating in long-term, serious relationships. Vrangalova thinks the reason may be that many promiscuous people aren't really built for monogamy.

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Kubota, T. (2015). What the number of sexual partners says about you. Men's Journal. Retrieved December 3, 2021, from https://www.mensjournal.com/health-fitness/what-the-number-of-sexual-partners-says-about-you-20151020/

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When compared with their peers who report fewer partners, those who self-report 20 or more in their lifetime are:

Three times as likely to have cheated while married (pg.89)

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Regnerus, M. (2017). Cheap sex: The transformation of men, marriage, and monogamy.

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Contrary to the myth, partners who’ve had many partners have a harder, not easier, time remaining monogamous. They are significantly more at risk of straying than those with little or no prior sexual experience.

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Staik, A. (2019). 10 Predictors of Infidelity and Gender Differences: Why Do Partners Cheat?. Psych Central. Retrieved on July 15, 2020, from https://blogs.psychcentral.com/relationships/2014/08/a-look-at-infidelity-why-do-partners-cheat/ (https://archive.is/bPRPy)

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A history of numerous sex partners indicates a pattern or habit of sexual behavior that we expect will negatively influence sexual exclusivity in the current relationship. (pg.37)

Having previous sexual partners greatly increased the likelihood that a woman would have a secondary sex partner. In particular, a woman with 4 or more male sex partners prior to her primary relationship was about 8.5 times more likely to have a secondary sex partnerthan a woman with no previous sex partners… Having previous sex partners also increased the likelihood that dating and married women would have secondary sex partners. In particular, married women with 4 or more previous partners were 20 times more likely to have secondary sex partners than married women with no previous sex partners (pg.41)

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Forste, R., & Tanfer, K. (1996). Sexual exclusivity among dating, cohabiting, and married women. Journal of Marriage and the Family, 58(1), 33–47.

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No and no.

A contract is only as good as the ability to enforce its terms. For some peculiar reason, with marriage we have a law that defines the contract but an entirely separate law to get out of the contract: divorce. It is the divorce law that defines marriage. Increasingly, as society becomes more Marxist/feminist the trend is to allow divorce on any basis or no basis at all. That is when other laws kick in that determine the division of assets. These are almost always going to be in favour of the person breaking up the marriage because that is the person who has likely pre-planned the breakup, is emotionally strong, and if they are a woman, they have massive social and legal support compared to the man (in most nations).

So marriage offers no protection to either spouse. The protection is mostly given to the spouse who breaks up the marriage, which in most Western nations is women in over ⅔ of divorces.

Some nations do allow for pre-nuptial agreements (some don't, so check your jurisdiction). I strongly recommend discussing with the other half what marriage means for each of you, then drawing up a pre-nup agreement that expresses the security you both desire and details what seems to the two of you to be the right kind of breakdown of assets under conditions where the marriage breaks up because one of you breaks your marriage vows, and if one of you heads for a no-fault divorce. In other words, since your government won't properly define marriage, do it yourselves.

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Title	DISCUSS
Author	AyWhatITIS
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Date	July 4, 2022 10:05 PM UTC (4 years ago)
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