I've always felt this way, even if I haven't always been able to describe it this well

NarutoBoy87 · 2022-07-21T10:16:43+00:00

Toxic behaviour is toxic doesn't matter if it's a man or a women or otherwise... No need to bring masculinity in this..

LordMaska · 2022-07-21T12:35:56+00:00

What I don't get about the term "toxic masculinity" is that the feminists shame it yet they are becoming more and more masculine by the day. To me it's just another feminist tactic to bring down men, thus bluring the lines even more between what is a man and what is a woman.

NerdDwarf · 2022-07-21T06:45:23+00:00

My take on this has always been that there's an enormous difference between being dominating and being assertive.

Healthy men assert themselves without domination.

Blueglubglubfish · 2022-07-21T08:36:21+00:00

i disagree. being masculine or not doesnt make you toxic.

NerdDwarf · 2022-07-21T09:04:30+00:00

I disagree I think non masculine and masculine guys are fine it’s just fuckheads that are the problem

fnork · 2022-07-21T08:38:20+00:00

"Masculinity is toxic" is their primary narrative, and "masculinity can be toxic" is their fallback position. Refute both, because even in the fallback form the argument is sexist.

It's their animation by spite that compels them, and it should be countered by denial of quarter. We should not quarter those who seek our destruction.

magic_damage · 2022-07-21T13:51:47+00:00

I think the best way to solve a problem its find the cause, most of that "toxic masculinity men" comes from single mothers sons. If the father was the toxic and the mother is the incarnation of the good, why the kid who grew up only with his mother becomes this "toxic"? I think the toxic one was the other parent idk... The fault of a Masculine figure in the childhood of the kids its the problem.

I think a possible solution would be ban the "babytrapping" you dont have my aproval to rise my baby. We can have sex, but i dont want a baby. Should be illegal dont stop an unwanted pregnancy for any of the parents. The laws are against the men, because if a woman get pregnant its because he wanted to get her pregnant. And its not the case most times. He must man up and rise the child. But if she gets pregnant she is "empowered" to choose to kill the baby. Like sign a contract that you are willing to have a kid with x person. Or at least had a bond like being married. Idk what do you think?

NerdDwarf · 2022-07-21T22:24:31+00:00

First, this implies that we are supposed to protect women, which is sexist as fuck towards men. Second, there are different types of masculinity and some of them are indeed toxic in the feminist sense of the word. You don't want to be hanging with bikie gangs, for example. There is another group that comes to mind but as Reddit has become full-on fascist i can't mention them. Third, there is no such thing as "real" masculinity, there is good masculinity and there is bad masculinity, but both of these are equally real. This meme needs a lot of work.

vaaralinen · 2022-07-21T09:09:54+00:00

r/whiteknighting

NotMyOnlyAccount11 · 2022-07-21T11:57:30+00:00

Well, you need to give us good women to love and protect first.

Masked_Rebel · 2022-07-21T23:12:45+00:00

It's really not just men, masculine or not, who are the problem.

d_daggins · 2022-07-21T11:52:21+00:00

Yeah I’ve always felt this. Only weak ass, evil men like to beat, rape and take advantage of women and children

WiseBoy_Level100 · 2022-07-21T12:30:58+00:00

Now what type of masculinity are you talking about? I'm not a traditionally masculine guy, not a very manly guy. Does tgis mean I'm a bad person? Does this mean that I'm inevitably going to harm women? I don't think so. You are doing exactly what feminists do to men, you know? Eg.: "if you're not this exact type of men, you are a the enemy." The only difference is that you're doing it from the other end of the stick.

2022-07-21T12:42:42+00:00

Case in point... Larry Nassar

Not a shred of masculinity on that weak, weak man!

whenuwork · 2022-07-21T11:57:25+00:00

All the hurt is the world is still the fault of men , right ?

YouStones_30 · 2022-07-21T09:56:35+00:00

And what's your definition of masculinity, uh?

2022-07-21T09:23:02+00:00

This is actually a really good post! Lots of the posts here push women who are anti femanist away. This is a good example of a positive post we a can agree on.

burnerpvt · 2022-07-21T13:27:48+00:00

Yes, this right here hits the mark perfectly.

Btw the official definition of toxic masculinity is a cultural concept of manliness that glorifies stoicism, strength, virility, and dominance, and that is socially maladaptive or harmful to mental health (source)

These are traits a man needs to have to be masculine and successful. They aren’t bad traits at all. Just some feminists throwing buzz words around and not knowing the meaning.

archit1405 · 2022-07-21T08:23:13+00:00

I feel this needs to be shared much more than it is

ResidentEstate3651 · 2022-07-21T10:07:34+00:00

How dare you? I identify as a femoid. Don't mismasculinize me, bigot!

leafielight · 2022-07-21T12:00:47+00:00

I don’t understand what’s the issue? I don’t think anybody is saying ALL masculinity is toxic and masculine men should die. The majority of women date men after all lol.

There’s a difference between saying “toxic masculinity is bad” and saying “masculinity is toxic”.

buried_alive0 · 2022-07-21T13:58:00+00:00

I strongly disagree with this. Neither masculinity nor lack of it are toxic. Plus women are not entitled to our protection and love. This is how you create white knights and simps. And with that last phrashe you are blaming men for alleged problems women have.

UPDATE: I'm really surprised after reading most comments here. This guy is whiteknighting.

Sephiroth_-77 · 2022-07-21T13:14:09+00:00

Any mention of masculinity puts me to sleep.

airogum · 2022-07-22T03:37:36+00:00

Grow up and cope with it, one day you will all look back on how you were now and hate yourself for it

imqueeeeeeeeer · 2022-07-21T14:33:49+00:00

Jesus Christ lol

veerKg_CSS_Geologist · 2022-07-21T13:34:49+00:00

A good definition of toxic masculinity

Chillbruh469 · 2022-07-21T13:37:39+00:00

The only reason why women don’t like masculine men is because they all were raped by them. Just look at America.

ParamedicExotic2510 · 2022-07-21T09:00:53+00:00

In short, toxic masculinity

Crxshin · 2022-07-21T15:57:25+00:00

I’m not feminist in any way, shape, or form, but feminine guys are awesome. They aren’t weak and don’t abuse women, the ones who do that are the creep/incels who stalk them and send them creepy shit. Femboys don’t do that.

Top_Election3816 · 2022-07-21T10:23:29+00:00

Yes. This is literally it. And that lack of masculinity is called toxic masculinity. That is bad. That is not masculinity BUT ITS TOXIC MASCULINITY. This was the point the whole time.

lmfao687687 · 2022-07-21T15:24:05+00:00

But it should be said, a man who doesn’t protect women and doesn’t put them on a pedestal does not lack masculinity.

ScottdaDM · 2022-07-21T16:24:22+00:00

Been saying it a while now. Neither Masculinity nor Femininity are toxic. People who use those concepts to excuse otherwise inexcusable behavior are toxic.

kaktkuzkid · 2022-07-21T16:37:56+00:00

Neglecting fathers are just as bad. They become enablers for toxic feminism.

What_sHAPPENING · 2022-07-21T17:24:45+00:00

100% correct. Feminists need to reinterpret what they consider toxic masculinity. It's usually the male feminist types that are truly toxic. Male feminist tend to hide within the progressive feminist types. The progressive left is in a war with itself and they don't even realize it.

NerdDwarf · 2022-07-21T18:30:58+00:00

Guys masculinity and toxicity are not related.

OP, non masculine guys can be functional.

boomboxspence · 2022-07-21T19:52:57+00:00

No. Men don't have to be masculine. Theres nothing wrong with not being masculine. Some people are just bad people, it's got nothing to do with masculinity.

throwawaygoodvibess · 2022-07-21T21:45:52+00:00

Men used to take pride in being charming, friendly, caring, protecting, and chivalrous

But we all know who killed chivalry right?

RandoCaljizzian69 · 2022-07-22T00:24:02+00:00

Toxic men are also large men, lacking in education and threatened by everything they increasingly don’t understand or have the patience to understand. They lack the capacity to think no through their problems so they resort to violence. Women too for that matter.

Tayaradga · 2022-07-22T02:04:55+00:00

I think this post plays a part in toxic masculinity. A man doesnt have to be strong or whatever to be kind. Saying "weak men abuse women" is just as bad as saying "men abuse women". Are there some weak men that do abuse women because they're weak? Hell yea, but are there also weak men that care for women as well as their male peers? Hell yea. A man doesnt have to be anything to be considered a man. A man is a man. Period. Some are worse than others, but some are extremely kind too. Don't group them up like that.

Coming from a man who's only 110 pounds so i know im weak. I still do my best to be the best I can, but I'm still weak. Js.

aaasssddffgghj · 2022-07-22T19:23:27+00:00

"I'm just an alpha male, it's my natural masculinity"

No Kevin, you're just an asshat with a superiority complex who thinks being a jackass to women will make them fall in love with you

Title	I've always felt this way, even if I haven't always been able to describe it this well
Author	NerdDwarf
Upvotes	515
Comments	118
Date	July 21, 2022 6:25 AM UTC (3 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/AntiFeminists
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/antifeminists/comments/w49bui/ive_always_felt_this_way_even_if_i_havent_always/
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