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Young male gang members (between 14 and 18 years old) were 5.7 times more likely to have had sex and 3.2 times more likely to have gotten a girl pregnant than their peers reporting no gang involvement.

OldScientistMe

August 8, 2022
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https://doi.org/10.1136/sti.2004.010926
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Title Young male gang members (between 14 and 18 years old) were 5.7 times more likely to have had sex and 3.2 times more likely to have gotten a girl pregnant than their peers reporting no gang involvement.
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OldScientistMe

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Date August 8, 2022 9:23 PM UTC
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[–]Who_watches 54 points55 points56 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Brb just going to gangmaxx

[–]ICQME 60 points61 points62 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Just join a gang bro

[–]Doogie76 50 points51 points52 points 3 years ago (24 children) | Copy Link

Women love the bad boys and will have thier children

[–]IrrungenWirrungen 29 points30 points31 points 3 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, but I’m pretty sure those are the women you wouldn’t want to have your children. 🙈

[–]shortsad2k21 points 3 years ago* [recovered] (11 children) | Copy Link

Thug status probably selects the most attractive women available because criminal's dominance status will likely outcompete law-abiding males in the same socioeconomic strata.

[–]throwwayhubu1 points 3 years ago [recovered] (6 children) | Copy Link

Not just in the lower strata. Look up the documentary on white female sex tourism to africa and carribean. Female lawyers and doctors who went full career end up single and go for 18-22 year old toyboys living on less than a dollar a day. Violence will allways be one the top attractive features, thats why muscle is so important.

[+]SteinerElMagnifico42 -25 points-24 points-23 points 3 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

africa and carribean.

Lol, my guy causally putting in a racist comment. Might aswell stop beating around the bush and say black men are all violent you motherfucker

[–]throwwayhubu1 points 3 years ago [recovered] (3 children) | Copy Link

What a sad loser you are. Try finding a documentary about white female sex tourism to India or China. Newsflash, there is none. Tell me you hate white people without telling me you hate white people energy, stay trash hater.

[+]SteinerElMagnifico42 -13 points-12 points-11 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Where did I ever mention white people you absolute fucking brain dead dunce. Dumb ass klansman no wonder the stereotype of Americans being clueless outside of their country exists.

[–]throwwayhubu1 points 3 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

Must be horrible to hate a group of people so much but be so impotent IRL that you spend time online to pick meaningless fights with strangers. You remind me of the people they study for white male sex tourism to asia.

[–]SteinerElMagnifico42 -4 points-3 points-2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Again, no comment of mine has racially discriminated against a set of people. Whilst yours have, get that in your absolute slow head. No surprise when your mum is probably your dads first cousin you clown.

[–]IrrungenWirrungen -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

What? Are you being serious?

Sorry, but I don’t get why those women are very likely attractive. How did you come to that conclusion?

I’d say it’s the lack of education and perspective. No sex ed = no protection = lots of kids at a young age.

I doubt a woman who you’d want to be the mother of your kids would sleep around with gang members.

[–]CallieCallie86 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Just go outside and observe for yourself.

Are thugs with ugly women or hot women?

[–]Dry_Conversation6386 -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I think it largely depends on the wealth status and financial status of such individuals. Bc even among thugs and criminals there's order of wealth and status for ex. a woman from a very rich family wouldn't end up with a small time street thug. I've usually seen a high value women would choose a big-league gangster.

As humans we lean towards power and might so it's not wrong to assume their(woman's) likelihood for attraction towards someone who'd provide it for them but that still doesn't say anything about their value or looks. Bc in documentaries and news broadcasts you'd often find criminals spouse or partners to be crack-heads with crooked teeth.

[–]Doogie76 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well not me, but from a biological perspective this makes total sense

[–]CallieCallie86 -2 points-1 points0 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Attractive white women?

[–]CallieCallie86 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

This is why scientists believe we peaked in IQ decades ago, it's all downhill after we let women the freedom to choose.

Arranged marriages ftw

[–]Autodidact420 -3 points-2 points-1 points 3 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

This isn’t true at all

[–]CallieCallie86 -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Watch the movie Idiocrasy, it's a fun spin on this.

[–]Autodidact420 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Unironically citing the satirical film idocracy in support of the suggestion that scientists think we’re getting stupid…

Nice.

But for an actual response, IQ has been increasing quite steadily for decades. Probably owing to increased access to education and early childhood nutrition.

[–]CallieCallie86 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

It's a good movie but you can find real scientific sources that pack this up. Even some that may have already been posted here.

Because IQ is genetic.

[–]Autodidact420 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

IQ is very highly hereditary. Hereditary doesn’t mean it’s entirely genetic.

Regardless, the best indicator for whether it is true is surely the actual results of the population on IQ tests overtime.

The Flynn Effect is the term for the very well known, and essentially undisputed fact that average scores on IQ tests have steadily increased over time (the cause is debated, but not the existence of the increase). This increase has been roughly a full standard deviation in about a 50~60 year period, which is very substantial.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flynn_effect

[–]WikiMobileLinkBot 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

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[–]theleesingergod 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Does not mean that real intelligence has increased. Flynn effect mostly applies to an increase in scores on the low g-loaded parts of IQ tests. There is also evidence that it might have reversed.

[–]Autodidact420 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

There’s no good reason to believe that intelligence is actually decreasing.

The topic is complex, far too complex to just say criminal, dumb men have more kids so that settles it. IQ is largely hereditary but also displays regression towards the mean. Criminal men are a small portion of men. Immigrants may skew intelligence results one way or another as they’re typically a non-random group selected for intelligence. Education and nutrition have improved. IQ testing itself has improved.

The relevant data suggests it’s stable or rising in most western nations. There’s effectively no merit in pointing to a single minor contributing factor or variable and concluding intelligence is decreasing.

[–]CallieCallie86 14 points15 points16 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Post on /r/science lol

A female roommate of mine was literally raped by someone on tinder when all she did was swipe 0.1% of men right on that app.

So she literally selected for that to happen.

[–]hopfield 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

They deleted it because the research is too old https://reddit.com/r/science/comments/wk56fm/young_male_gang_members_between_14_and_18_years/

[–]CallieCallie86 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

All someone needs to do is make a journal article about it, and post the article itself with reference to this paper.

[–]JollyLink 12 points13 points14 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Alpha seed beta need

[–]bumbum_691 points 3 years ago [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

Just be between 14 and 18 years old, bro!

[–]Inner_Interaction_40 8 points9 points10 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The results likely wouldn't have been very different if they had looked at adults instead of teenagers. This study found that criminal men have more female sex partners and more children on average than non-criminals.

[–]NotARussianBot1984 -2 points-1 points0 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Everyone was at one point

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points 3 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

Unfortunately like with many of these types of studies, people will just try to confirm their own biases.

The types of women who I see liking the gang member types are the trashiest of trashiest women, the type who gets destroyed drunk, flashing their tits on the street etc.

Think of a British party girl that likes drugs and "bad boys" and a Chinese girl that likes to watch movies and go for walks.

Which one would you present to your friends and family?

People are fucking delusional if they think women like degenerate reckless trainwreck men on the whole.

It's like saying that all men dream of dating Cardi B or some equivalent trash.

For the vast majority of men(99%+) being a good man with a good job and good looks will have the highest chance of giving you a good job, attractive girlfriend, plenty of sex and a good life overall.

Everything else is noise(still interesting to study though).

[–]Inner_Interaction_40 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link

The types of women who I see liking the gang member types are the trashiest of trashiest women, the type who gets destroyed drunk, flashing their tits on the street etc.

Violent gang members are the types who would beat the shit out of anyone who stares at their girlfriends for too long. They often prefer casual sex to long-term relationships, but when they are looking for relationships, they want submissive and feminine women who they can easily control and mate-guard.

I'm sure they would pump and dump a drunk party slut, but they wouldn't commit to her.

Criminals tend to have a low 2D:4D ratio, which is a marker of hormonal masculinization, and men with a low 2D:4D ratio are more likely to engage in mate-guarding behavior.

Think of a British party girl that likes drugs and "bad boys" and a Chinese girl that likes to watch movies and go for walks.

Which one would you present to your friends and family?

Bad boys wouldn't present a party slut to their friends and family either. At best they would treat her like an FWB.

People are fucking delusional if they think women like degenerate reckless trainwreck men on the whole.

If you believe in evolution, you ought to believe that winning at life means having lots of sex and outbreeding everyone else. Antisocial men are having more sex and are siring more children than everyone else.

This study found that the 36% most anti-social males fathered 59% of all children.

https://i.imgur.com/Omsqc5c.png

It's like saying that all men dream of dating Cardi B or some equivalent trash.

Men would date Cardi B because she's physically attractive, not because she's a "bad girl"

For the vast majority of men(99%+) being a good man with a good job and good looks will have the highest chance of giving you a good job, attractive girlfriend, plenty of sex and a good life overall.

In the US, men are about 40% more likely to be high school dropouts than women, and male high school dropouts have more sex and more children on average than men with higher levels of education, in spite of the fact that there is a massive shortage of women with similar low-socioeconomic status.

The reason is not because educational failure is attractive to women, but rather because high school dropouts are disproportionally bad boys, and bad boys have a lot of sex appeal to women, including women above their social class. High school dropouts who lack "bad boy" personality traits are not usually successful with women.

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points0 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

That is not the reason. You ASSUME that is the reason.

It can just as easily be that high school dropouts have fuck all to do except hit on everything that moves all day everyday, while students spend time... studying or spending time with family or going to activities.

We also know that the richer and better educated the country, the fewer kids they have. So the study you linked doesn't necessarily say what you think it says.

High school dropouts and criminals might just have more children because they have nothing else going on in life or they're reckless idiots who don't use condoms or they don't care.

By your logic above, broke African men in 3rd world countries are "winning at life" the most since they have the most children.

Also, if you just measure kids or sex a skinny nerd working at Facebook could fuck 365 women a year by paying them. Or they could go to Thailand and have unprotected sex with hundreds of women and having kids. FAR more than any try hard "bad boy" or "pick up artist" could ever get to.

You gotta keep a broad perspective, one study like this or even a few can't tell you shit about the big picture.

Being a gang member is a non starter since it's a shit life and you'll spend half your life in jail or dead.

[–]Inner_Interaction_40 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

It can just as easily be that high school dropouts have fuck all to do except hit on everything that moves all day everyday

Homeless bums who who spend day in and day out catcalling women and hitting on them aren't getting laid left and right just because they put in a lot of effort. That's not how the world works. Women are hypergamous and generally dislike low status men.

In industrialized societies, status in males accounts for 62% of the variance of copulation frequency. There is no logical explanation for the fact that high-school dropouts have more reproductive success than anyone else except that they are more likely to have genetic adaptations that make them more attractive to women and that allow them to compensate for their low status, i.e bad boys traits.

We also know that the richer and better educated the country, the fewer kids they have. So the study you linked doesn't necessarily say what you think it says.

This would be a valid argument if the study looked at the reproductive success of men from various different nations, but that's not what they did. All the men in the sample are from the same country.

High school dropouts and criminals might just have more children because they have nothing else going on in life or they're reckless idiots who don't use condoms or they don't care.

The future belongs to those who have the most children. The birth rate is low in countries where women are allowed to go to school because there is a strong inverse correlation between level of education and the fertility of women. Women who don't want children and the men who date them are evolutionary dead ends. They may be happy with their lives, but they are genetic losers.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Again more extremes.

The future doesn't just belong to those who have more children. You need to take into account the level of future success of those children across generations.

1 child in a millionaire family might have much more success long term, over 10-20 generations than 3x kids that grow up malnourished or go to jail at 17, end up dead in gangs, overdosing etc.

The men are from the same country, but better educated kids/men in stable families will be busy building a future as opposed to getting women pregnant at 14.

Also "homeless" is extreme. I was on minimum wage and living in my parents basement and still able to have 2-3 average looking FWB with no real issues in the UK when spamming online dating apps a lot. I'm also very nice and treated the women very well.

If you play the number games a lot, you will have a lot more success. This is basically the entirety of the "pick up artist" community in a nutshell.

The only things we know with a good degree of certainty is that your relative looks and your relative status in society, along with playing the numbers game are by far the highest impact things to do when it comes to dating.

Other than that it's a bad idea to cling too much to some of these fringe ideas like "bad boys", "dark triad", "confidence", "game" and such nonsense. They're just nowhere near good enough on their own compared to looks or status.

[–]Autodidact420 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You’re making huge assumptions here. Surely many factors are at play.

For example: high school drop out ‘bad boys’ are probably more likely to be criminals and the whole group of traits is probably linked to low IQ and to generally not following social customs including actually raising their children.

For most men if they have a child they commit and their partner and them raise the child. Maybe they get divorced and have kids with one other partner. This doesn’t mean they’d be unable to find other partners, it means they make themselves unavailable and choose not to have 10 kids with 10 partners.

Put another way, the fact that people who don’t follow social norms are more likely to have multiple children with multiple partners is hardly groundbreaking when it’s a social norm to raise children with a single partner.

And as a second point, your comment about evolution and ‘winning at life’ simply doesn’t follow the rest of your comment.

[–]ninodelumbre 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

No.. and here's why:

Success in finance, resources or intelligence does not generate true intimate desire in females.

A female will marry a good looking and nice billionaire and still cheat on him because he doesn't give her the tingles (makes her wet) like a homeless convicted felon that's genetically gifted (physically) over 6 feet, six pack and "big" enough for her.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What is "true" desire?

At the end of the day, a billionaire can also do the same. Marry a smoking hot 20yo supermodel and get her pregnant, then cheat on her with 300 other smoking hot women a year.

I'd much rather be a billionaire, than a 6 feet felon. Look into the degenerate lives of some rich people to understand what's possible with money, i.e. the wolf of wall street, Dan Bilzerian etc.

[–]NotARussianBot1984 -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No more like the younger girls like the bad boys, then when they want to settle down they pretend they are the good girl that likes the accountant, and vanilla sex.

[–]UwUcel 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Women all men are trash also women exclusively date sociopath s and psychopath s

[–]ResponsibilityRare72 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Obvious information

[–]Losslessmail -2 points-1 points0 points 3 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Ive met one of those guys (under 18 gang member with a child). He had obvious mental, emotional and psychological issues. This isn't a clear cut matter of "women like bad boys" there are some complex reasons for this

[–]mathdrug -2 points-1 points0 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Most of these women aren’t exactly the “best of the bunch.”

[–]sausage4mash -5 points-4 points-3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Bad boy thing does work I'd say it could be a +3 perfect for a sub 5 normie

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