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Feminism has devolved into a fertility and goddess worship cult. Stop arguing with feminists about equality or using logic.

NeoNotNeo

August 14, 2022
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Title Feminism has devolved into a fertility and goddess worship cult. Stop arguing with feminists about equality or using logic.
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NeoNotNeo

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Date August 14, 2022 1:59 PM UTC
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Comments

[–]Traditional_Tie_5560 14 points15 points16 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The only weapon the post modern feminist has is speech. That’s why it’s important to focus on keeping that as free as possible, while ignoring the theatrical sideshow.

[–]Alarming_Draw 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I fucking warned people years ago feminism always ends up getting involved with witchcraft, satanism, anti science fake religions etc-its happened throughout history.

Everytime feminism is allowed to get influence and power in society, it happens. Last time it happened, in Britain, powerful Left wing feminist politicians tried to change the age of consent so they could have sex with little boys.

Now we see female teacher after female teacher caught raping little boys, once again.

[–]63daddy 21 points22 points23 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The article essentially explains that society has long been gynocentric. I’m not sure how that relates to your point about using logic with feminists. Though, I agree feminist arguments aren’t based in logic or facts, and feminists typically won’t be swayed by logic and facts. Trying to get a feminist to change her view is likely wasted time. More productive in my opinion to show non feminists the error in what feminists claim.

[–]Al_Modir 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Lol I love how all the idyllic periods feminists refer to as times when people worshipped women and goddesses and bla bla bla was like in the Neolithic period where you got eaten by sabre tooth tigers and crushed by mammoths and it took half a day to start a fire and the average life expectancy was 30. 😂😂😂

[–]Klexosinfreefall 14 points15 points16 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Arguing with a feminist is like playing chess with a pigeon...

[–]SecondEldenLord 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I find that offensive. Pigeons have far better iq than feminists.

[–]Greg_W_Allan 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Pigeons have far better iq than feminists.

They also knock over fewer pieces and create far less shit.

[–]Ferbuggity 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

If you look at present day neolithic cultures, and there;s still a few around, men's business and women's business are two very separate things. Both masculinity and femininity have their own special spaces and there is usually heavy taboos on encroachmentof one into the other.

Point being, both were always honoured, and given their own space as well sharing communal life.

[–]LateralThinker13 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

You spelled female supremacy cult wrong

[–]mikesteane 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It should be an "n" instead of an "l", right?

[–]LateralThinker13 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

LOL yeah. There you go.

[–]DirtyPartyMan 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It’s better for your own mental and emotional health just not to engage.

Like every historical obsession this level of energy-sapping emotional and hate will burn itself out.

[–]Educational_Bet_6606 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Old school "feminism" such as in the 18 and early 1900s was mostly fine, and is needed in places like Afghanistan. Stuff like education for girls, women being believed when abused, voting, etc are good. However, feminism took off because people often have a tendency to focus more on females, hence why their challenges tend to be taken seriously more than males. I think this is in part due to our dna, a pregnant woman or one who is on her periodis vulnerable and has a higher chance of support. Stuff like having women be in the workforce helps move this idea away as now we can have recognition for both sides.

[–]mrjolly123 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Stop arguing with feminists full stop, you can win against a mixture of entitlement, stupidity and emotion

[–]GF1386 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

40,000 year old porn.

[–]ZekalMacabre 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Feminism has always been a hate cult.

Saying it devolved would indicate that it was good or useful at some point. This is patently untrue, feminism has always been cancer. From day 1.

[–]nevermock 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It descends from Catharism. It's so obvious.

[–]Halfcocked_Jack -5 points-4 points-3 points 4 years ago (24 children) | Copy Link

Lol, wut?

Let me get this straight: a simple article about the long lineage of female goddesses is somehow proof of something something feminists?

You realize a precisely analogous article could be written about sky father gods, right?

And that’s just for starters.

Saying that this is proof of the “gynocentrism” of society is nuts when Astarte was literally banned from the pages of the Old Testament and women were burned at the stake for being witches in the late middle ages.

What this article shows, no more, no less, is the lineage of a certain female goddess archetype. Its main problem is that it presumes that the stone age “Venus” figurines are religious in nature when we have absolutely no idea as to what they are. Recently, an excellent argument has been made that they were medical aids of some sort.

[–]NeoNotNeo[S] 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (17 children) | Copy Link

I posted. Feminism has abandoned debating quality of life differences between men and women since the 1990s. Men lag in almost all segments. No point in debating.

What I’ve been thinking for a while is, when there are clear examples of men lagging almost all quality of life measures why so many decent and smart people provide out of context examples of the suffering of women. Or hold on to cultish tropes of the feminine. Or run screaming from or worse, run toward two dimensional characteristics of the masculine.

I think feminism triggered something primal. Insecurity about what equality really means has diverted the minds of many women to very ancient and primal rituals of processing stress. Being a young mom was insanely deadly until the last century. Being an old mom was worse. I think these fertility cults was how we dealt with the stress of replicating humans.

[–]Halfcocked_Jack -5 points-4 points-3 points 4 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link

Feminism has abandoned debating or you have abandoned debating? Sounds more like the second, to be honest.

But all of that is of secondary concern, given that this article has nothing at all to do with the young women of today and their religious or spiritual practices. Did you even bother to read it? We don’t even know if those old “venus” statues represented fertility cults or something different.

And yeah, given how dangerous childbirth has historically been, it’s no wonder a bunch of human cultures have created various divinities around it. Again, that has nothing to do with what young women think or believe today.

[–]NeoNotNeo[S] 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

The debate is here every day. You are welcome to join. I on the other hand am not welcome to join any feminist sub. Take a guess why. I keep this account exclusively for my dedication to mens legal, health and political rights because in doing so I am banned from any sub that is supposedly interested in debate.

As you brought up the young women of today, and FYI, there are other women other than young women, I have some advice.

Men aren’t gong to be there for you in traditional ways. Feminisms many waves which now includes demanding chivalry provides an example of why I posted this. That moment, about a decade ago is what tipped me into mens rights. Feminism is fraud. There is no interest in equality. To be truly equal you need to be responsible. I’ve yet to read anything meaningful about the responsibility of women in modern society. I do read much female entitlement.

[–]Halfcocked_Jack 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Ooh, advice? Yeah, you sound like a guy who understands women very well.

You realize that your last paragraph is pretty much unintelligible? Sober up and try again, please.

[–]Ferbuggity 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

What kind of bitchy low effort reply is that.

You're clearly not here to support men or their rights so everything you type is basically a waste of time, nobody here wants to be a feminist, or think like one.

[–]Halfcocked_Jack 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

If the man can’t be arsed to write legible English, he deserves to get roasted. And as for “bitchy”, how about your little whiney “I can’t handle criticism” bit?

[–]Ferbuggity 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

bluh bluh bluh bluh bluh

Yeah sorry. I don't speak feminist.

[–]Halfcocked_Jack 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Good thing we aren’t talking it, then. One thing’s for certain: if the OP spoke feminist, he’d understand why his argument here is bullshit.

[–]Ferbuggity 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

bluh bluh bluh bluh

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[–]NeoNotNeo[S] 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I can’t give women advice ?? Is that sexist now.

[–]Halfcocked_Jack -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Funny you think I am a woman.

As for your advice, it’s not so much sexist as simply stupid. And unintelligible. The first sentences of your last paragraph are incredibly strange.

[–]PrinceArchie 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago* (6 children) | Copy Link

You aren’t debating you’re throwing a bunch of ad hominem attacks and not even stating a point directly yourself. First of all the article did a lot to just portray numerous examples of these figures and throughout it multiple times states that they could have been made or representative of a multitude of things here’s an excerpt. “While no one can definitely say what the Hohle Fels Venus actually represented to people at that time, and her symbolism comes entirely from anthropologists’ interpretations, what we do know is that such figurines continued to be created throughout history.” That’s just one time they leave the door open to interpretation for what these figures could be but nonetheless that isn’t the point of the article. Whether or not it was for religious reasons, artistic, tribal practices or whatever the point is women had a nearly definitive place and importance in those societies without ANY of the modern day feminists talking points about “equality”. Women were seemingly revered simply because of the fact they gave birth, being a woman then seemingly meant something entirely different than what it has become now under modern day feminism. You can draw your conclusions, make an actual statement for someone to legitimately critique or whatnot from here on if you so wish.

Personally I do not think this article makes a case that feminism has devolved into a “goddess worship cult”, in fact I cannot even say personally, the article itself makes the claim that something special was lost and should be revisited. What this article interestingly enough does is give a perspective that modern day feminism has unjustly warped how human societies at large value women. I do believe modern day feminism is toxic in nature because it completely undermines and mocks the very core of all of our existence which is to procreate and coexist with one another as a species. Not even from a religious standpoint, but from a scientific perspective regardless of how intellectual we may be there is no greater purpose than fulfilling your biological imperative to procreate and nurture community with other human beings, we are wired to do so. What modern day feminism has done is essentially blame “society “ but if you really have a heart to heart conversation with your average feminists, they blame men as a whole; typically those who they feel have let them down or slighted them or “oppressed “ them. These become a center point of origin for the basis of their beliefs, implication of all arguments and source of general apathy for any “man”.

The patriarchy exists, men are “privileged “ and in particular white men are so inherently flawed/abhorrent that their movement seeks to rectify the wrongs of countless generations of men at large. Forget the majority of young men post near the turn of the century who largely are much more docile, agreeable and less “powerful “. What feminists label as patriarchal flaws really equate to more class issues where the elite tend to benefit far more than your average middle class person man or woman. Nonetheless feminism claims society doesn’t respect women “equally” and hasn’t in almost ever; they see themselves as the great equalizing trailblazers of all women throughout history. But as this article puts it, they discount the traditional perspective in which women were highly respected. The main issue feminism has is that it ironically worships capitalist culture to a severe degree. It doesn’t seek to rectify social issues, it seeks to make women as independent from men as possible so that they can compete in a highly competitive capitalist society. It’s mostly consumer driven. Conversations about how men and women can continuously evolve together to form more meaningful relationships are rarely had, more so what’s focused on are the accolades and financial earnings/opportunities of successful men and a deep desire to emulate that.

Women are very outspoken about finding many men for instance “economically “ unattractive, or doing the most to imply deep rooted flaws due to perceived “laziness “ as they continue to ostracize the average man. Being “average “ is even an insult. Much of the conversation that revolves around the interpersonal dynamics between men and women unfortunately simplify to financial opportunities irrespective of true economic or social issues that plague both men and women. Women have been and up until recently are respected for being feminine , friendly, good natured, being a mother, etc. What gets push back is the low quality assertions that express women NEED to engage promiscuously to experience life in some sort of wholistic fashion, to admire single motherhood, to chase careers, to only want the “best” (material possibility), etc. As we have evolved as a society perhaps some of the old ways are much too antiquated, that being said to replace an old reverence for something as basic as fertility, something nearly all women possess; with the bullshit capitalist dream of becoming “rich” or essentially having an over abundance of possessions at the expense of meaningful interpersonal relationships is a tragedy . To masque that as a fight for “equal rights”, yeah it’s incredibly warped. Feminists are out of touch with how your everyday man really views and interacts with women. They are at war with what essentially boils down to a caricature of a man.

[–]Ferbuggity 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Feminists are out of touch with how your everyday man really views and interacts with women. They are at war with what essentially boils down to a caricature of a man.

This.

[–]Halfcocked_Jack 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

What’s there to debate? The OP says this article is somehow linked to today’s young women becoming pagans. It is nothing of the sort. And if you’re going to debate, have the common courtesy to write coherent sentences. Pointing out that a poster is writing as if they were drunk is not an ad hominem when they are indeed, empirically, writing as if they were drunk.

Wow. So figures of big, pregnant women have been created throughout history? What a revelation! What does that have to do with the OP’s point that this article — which has nothing to do with feminism, by the way — illustrates how feminism has “devolved into a fertility worship cult”?

That’s about as logical as posting an article from Popular Mechanics about rocketry and claiming it shows that male engineers are all phallic-obsessed followers of Pan.

If you think the “very core of our existence is to reproduce”, might I suggest that you belong to the wrong species? The moment we became symbol-using animals capable of abstract thought, we jumped off the bioevolutionary track. Stephen Hawkin’s value to our species survival was not his generic make up, nor the two sons he left behind. If you don’t understand why that’s the case then, again, you’re probably in the wrong species, my friend.

[–]PrinceArchie 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

No one was writing as if they were drunk you were just making a bunch of attacks that had nothing to do with the topic at hand, more so the credibility of the person with an opinion. Again the article itself makes its own statement claiming that something’s should perhaps be revisited, implying a return to revering women for fertility, says it plain as day in its closing statement. No sure why you seem to ignore that as it has everything to do with the context of the conversation. I’d agree the article doesn’t claim feminists are seeking cult worship though, well unless this was written by one which would be funny. On the note of the “core of our existence “ yea it is largely to procreate, create community and continue as a species in perpetuity for as long as we can manage.

Everything else we manage to concoct is simply a byproduct of existing for so long and realizing the extent of our capabilities as a species. Stephen Hawkings contributions to the scientific community are just as important as the children he raised and the communities he was apart of he helped cultivate. The premise of my statement was to illustrate that we’re more than the abstract accomplishments or goals we may conjure up at any given point. None of it really matters if it doesn’t have a greater impact to others we will eventually leave behind. At a base level having children which can help better society in their own way, no matter what they become (outside of being a criminal perhaps); will help shape the future for society as a whole. I do think I belong to the correct species btw but I suppose this is your honest attempt at engaging in debates. Continuing the pattern of ad hominems that do nothing to progress the conversation.

[–]Halfcocked_Jack 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

There is definitely one guy discussing things here — Neonotneo — who is writing as if he were drunk. I told him as much. If you have another instance of me making anything like an ad hominem, please, bring it up.

Also, I don’t think ad hominem means what you think it does. I am explaining why the OP’s ideas are bad: I am not saying they are bad because the OP is an odious person. I DO think, however, that he should have the common courtesy to write intelligibly.

Here is the last paragraph of that article:

“Suffice it to say, before the rise of male-centered monolithic religions, women were goddesses. The cults of the mother goddesses garnered their worship because they possessed distinct characters that signified the cycle of life and the stages of the Moon. Perhaps it is time to bring that back.”

I don’t see the words “feminism” or “fertility” anywhere in there. Do you? I DO say it saying the divine should reflect the feminine, the moon, and stages of life, as it has in the past. It certainly doesn’t say anything about that being the only acceptable view of the divine. It certainly makes no mention at all of feminism.

So if anyone is seeing this as a feminist call to fertility-centered paganism, I think they have to either be arguing in bad faith or they have severe reading comprehension problems.

Now, let’s talk Stephen Hawkins, because you obviously don’t get my point. I am talking about his contributions to our survival as a species. If you think his genetic legacy weighs in as heavily here as his intellectual legacy, then you pretty obviously don’t understand what Hawkins contributed. No, his children are not as important as his ideas to the survival of our species. I’m sorry, but that’s just simply a fact.

Having children is one way to influence the future. Having good ideas is an even better way. Thankfully, we’re part of a species that does both.

So no, please bull me no shit about women’s “natural role” being the generation of children. You certainly do not follow any “natural roles” in your life, so it’s a puzzle to me why you’d think women should.

[–]PrinceArchie 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

“However, it is not clear that all figurine discovered worldwide were forthis purpose. Some could just have been votive offerings, representations of ancestors, or perhaps even artistic impression. It does seem though, that almost every culture has used some maternal symbolism in the depiction of deities, highlighting creativity, birth, fertility, sexual union, nurturing and the cycle of growth. Later Neolithic civilizations from 5,000 to 1,500 BC in Mesopotamia, India, Egypt and Crete had their own representations of fertility and mother goddesses in their art.”

Just one of the many paragraphs in that article that is directly describing the art and its associations in those cultures to fertility, femininity, etc; all of which then lead into that final paragraph coming to the conclusion that perhaps women should be worshipped or revered as they once were in the past. There’s really little left to interpretation, I don’t know why you continue to pretend as if each section of this article isn’t trying to make an overarching claim that perhaps women should be worshipped for their fertility. I only make a connection to feminism in so far as that’s the topic at hand OP is using to connect it all. Perhaps he thinks it is a call to fertility centered paganism, perhaps not, I don’t necessarily think it is but nonetheless it’s not something to get so upset about. The only person seemingly arguing in bad faith is you because for some reason you continue to question things that have nothing to do with the topic, again ad hominem. Everyone here can read, I can’t tell if you’re drunk or not, I don’t know if you’re on illicit substances as we speak nor is it relevant. I mean shit you even go as far as to question whether or not I belong to the species which is comical but alright. You of all people should be the last person complaining about anyone arguing in bad faith, you seem to just be angry, perhaps you should log off.

Also I don’t believe women should be beholden to “natural roles” but we’re all beholden to our nature on some level. We all need to eat, sleep, drink, piss, we have sexual urges, etc. What we do in our daily lives is in large in part to facilitate those needs, if you think otherwise you’re free to do so but I’m pretty sure most people don’t work their dream job and aren’t working a 9-5 because they love it. Regardless of how much you admire Hawkings work at the end of the day if there aren’t people to pass that on to it’s for nothing. Sure his intellectual contributions could outweigh his genetic ones, but that doesn’t invalidate them; nor would someones contributions who doesn’t have the capacity to contribute in the same manner Hawking did intellectually be any less meaningful. People matter just as much if not more than a few theories, accolade’s or accomplishments. But that’s not really this topic. If you disagree that’s fine, though it isn’t something I will continue commenting on.

[–]Halfcocked_Jack 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Again, I think you have to squint REALLLLLLLLY hard to read that as the author saying we should literally worship women instead of reconstructing a feminine divine. But you do you, king.

However, even if you make that very forced reading, it has nothing to do with the OP’s belief that feminism is some sort of pagan fertility cult.

In fact, if you want to attack this article right in its intellectual weak point, I have two words for you: Virgin Mary.

Maternal symbolism and maternity goddesses are right at the heart of Christianity. They have certainly not disappeared, as this author implies.

What HAVE disappeared are the bitch goddesses.

[–]Greg_W_Allan 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Given the label you chose you will be operating with an IQ somewhere around 50. You have nothing of value to contribute here or anywhere else.

[–]Halfcocked_Jack -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Hmmm. Someone doesn’t read Stephenson, I take it. :)

[–]Greg_W_Allan 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The label YOU chose.

[–]Halfcocked_Jack -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It takes real guts to come out and double down on not getting a reference, but damned if homeboy didn’t so it!

[–]maryhartman0001 points 4 years ago* [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

The op is ridiculous

[–]Halfcocked_Jack 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Agreed.

[+]maryhartman000 -6 points-5 points-4 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

We should avoid you and you us. You are a minority group anyway. Most men believe in equal rights. We don’t mind that you avoid us. Helps us weed out the bad ones. So we are on the same page.

[–]Ferbuggity 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

We should avoid you and you us.

You could start by fucking right off?

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