How can it be possible that there is virtually zero nuance in this discussion, that you are either firmly planted on one end of the spectrum or the other with absolutely no balanced take to be found?

anthonyrecenello · 2023-02-19T23:28:37+00:00

Hey! It does seem like the mature answer to say that both are right and both have wrong stuff too.

But red pill was created and began as a place for men to rationalize their hate for women.

All ideology was built from there.

From there, content creators wanted to capitalize on this movement, and started adding their flavors to the mix.

What new advice caught on was the advice all the content creators adopted in their own teachings too.

Even the book The Rational Male, which is supposed to be the realest explanation of red pill, is just Rollo ripping off old PUA advice.

Your red pill gurus are not successful with women or business.

The ones who are making money are doing so by selling stuff to you about red pill.

Which is why you don’t see red pill teachers actually using their advice with women in their videos.

Fresh and Fit have escorts come on their show. Andrew Tate pays for models. Jordan Peterson, who is def red pilled, has never dated. Rollo hasn’t dated in 30 years. Joe Rogan doesn’t date.

Next, all the “true” red pill advice is general self help that you find everywhere.

Work hard, hustle!
Dont be lazy
Women like men who look healthy
Women like men who are purposeful (status, money, etc)

And because they are marketers, they take these basic concepts and make them seem like the most mind blowing things you’ll ever hear. “The world is not the way you’ve known it.”

Red pill isn’t anything except a way for men to feel angry about hating women, instead of sad.

They merely shifted your sadness to anger.

Have you noticed the recent wave of red pill is basically just adopting the Muslim lifestyle and approach to relationships.

What I’m saying, Moon, is if you try breaking down red pill and putting it all together, you’ll find it easily comes apart and contradicts itself.

Lastly, most of red pills victims are children, not adults.

This is probably the most important aspect in all of this. There are a handful of weird old men pushing these philosophies on the internet and the only people that are biting are literal children. Then you’ll find some guys in their EARLY 20s still hanging onto it.

Otherwise, I would say there are no respected psychologists who can look at all that red pill is and say that it is healthy for anyone or even coherent.

It was a place for guys to hate on girls, and then when grifters noticed this, they decided to capitalize on your pain.

thrownawaytodaysr · 2023-02-19T23:11:54+00:00

It is very possible for a side in a discussion to be 100% wrong or near enough to scarcely make a difference. To that end, the argument to moderation truly only applies in instances where it is warranted.

To apply that in the context of RP, it would matter primarily what argument is being raised to argue a point of nuance. What exactly is of value or supported in RP that warrants "balance" on the subject? And if there is something, is it RP exclusive or can it be found elsewhere in something that has more grounding in fact?

These aren't rhetorical questions, by the way.

tinyhermione · 2023-02-20T17:04:42+00:00

The problem is that most RedPill beliefs don't come with nuance. And that's why it's easy to say they are wrong. When they say "all women are xyz" or "all women want abc" then it's just so easy to disprove and so hard to agree with.

If their philosophy had been more nuanced, then they would be more in the right about stuff.

SweelFor- · 2023-02-20T17:32:21+00:00

That is because red pill ideas are incorrect

vcreativ · 2023-02-20T19:43:28+00:00

I expect there to mostly be young people on here. Nuance doesn't tend to be a young person's game. And the older people get the more they tend to have figured this out. And the more they have figured it out the less they need to discuss it online.

It's a nested selection bias sort of thing.

If you need nuance, talk to some of the older folks in real life. They know a ton.

Nightchanger · 2023-02-20T04:00:52+00:00

Men right activists and Father rights activists mainly.

TVans14 · 2023-02-20T09:23:10+00:00

You're right. Neither side is 100% right or wrong. However each side has extremists who think their side is 100% right. As this is an anti-RP sub you're more likely to find extremists here who think RP is 100% wrong but not everyone on here thinks so. It's just statistics. Don't take the extremists seriously.

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