What is sexual harassment?

Gingerchaun · 2023-02-20T14:37:30+00:00

What happened to you in 8th grade is sexual assault not harassment.

63daddy · 2023-02-20T16:14:28+00:00

According to the EEOC, things like standing close to someone, leaning over them or giving a gift are examples if sexual harassment if these actions are unwelcome.

https://www.un.org/womenwatch/osagi/pdf/whatissh.pdf

In other words, it’s nearly impossible to get through a work day without committing some act that can be labeled sexual harassment. If someone wants to accuse you of sexual harassment, eventually I pull do something innocent that fits the definition.

neighborhoodpainter · 2023-02-20T16:31:18+00:00

Any unwanted comments, or unwanted staring is considered sexual harassment. Not a joke, I can't get this out of my mind, but found out that in London, England, the underground trains have posters saying, "Staring is sexual harassment".

sharksville · 2023-02-20T15:20:26+00:00

Problem is that they like to take the Wikipedia or yahoo definitions of the terms, the sources which aren’t really credible when any random person just go in and state their own opinions about something. They don’t look at and understand the context of the terms and identify the actual definition of each term. They try and find loopholes and technicalities just so it can favour them.

Take the term rape for instance. At one point the MeToo movement can claim that rape is a penis forcefully penetrating the vagina. But then they’ll include kissing to the term. But what actually is it? What really is rape? That’s the thing they don’t want to include because it doesn’t benefit them so they leave that part out. They pick and choose whatever benefits them. They’ll only look at it from one side even though there are two sides to everything.

LaProvvidenza · 2023-02-20T16:11:06+00:00

Probably even if you touch a feminist's shoulder, you will be sued as if it was standard. If you are touched by a feminist on the shoulder, they will laugh at you if you talk about sueing.

throwaway127advice1 · 2023-02-20T17:35:08+00:00

Harassment is the repetitive action of intending to make someone uncomfortable, I agree that sometimes it is incorrectly used. A creepy or inappropriate, yet one time, comment wouldn't be harassment however if it were continued then it would be. I think that the term sexual harassment is thrown around too lightly in some cases, it can either blow an incident out of proportion or make it difficult for a victim of real and serious harassment to be taken seriously

Edit add: a creepy or inappropriate comment or action should absolutely not be excused but should not be associated with intentionally repeated comments or actions that would fall under harassment (My writing is not too good, just want to make clearer)

LJHpowerful · 2023-02-20T21:08:05+00:00

I've been in clubs in my early 20s were woman have just grabbed my d***, put their hand up my top, kissed me, and thats not even girls I'm dancing with or talking to... I'd of been throw out and put in a police cell if I did that, you just laugh it off, but I guess it's a double standard, personally I don't care, but if I did I should have a right and the consequences for the same actions should be fair and taken seriously

Skullcrusher971 · 2023-02-20T15:08:35+00:00

My (fat and ugly) female coworker keep mentionning my physique and making jokes about my love and sex Life. She also stands in my way on purpose sometimes. Ill admit i dont loose sleep over it. I just have a laugh about it with my girl whom is very supporting. But it doesnt seem right because if i really wanted to fight this i probably couldn t

HerrMitzerschmidt · 2023-02-21T19:06:12+00:00

So many people seem to have no ability to think even slightly past the surface of any issue; they insist on simplistic black or white definitions. Any true assessment of such a thing as harassment or even assault requires more than a definition of what constitutes it. It requires circumstantial facts, tone, etc. And besides the actual speech and behavior of the accused, the speech and behavior of the accuser are also critical. Did they make their dislike/discomfort clear, and allow the accusee to apologize and/or back off? Was the accuser being overly sensitive? No matter what definitions might say about “any unwanted” behavior/speech, there are understandable cultural levels of reasonability to consider. If I don’t like your American Southern accent, that’s MY problem, and if I complain, I should rightly be told to shut up and go back to work. Plus, there’s humor and sarcasm.

These days, especially with women, many people want to err on the side of the accuser, without any further thought. By doing this, they are infantalizing women, both protecting them in a patriarchal manner, and insulting their own abilities and responsibilities of agency and adulthood. No one should be subjected to repeated harassment or unwanted physical contact (unless it’s required for a job), but unless it’s something that’s clearly out of cultural bounds (like intentionally touching someone’s privates), the offended party has the responsibility of making their objection clear.

TheNewMasterofTime · 2023-02-21T01:17:54+00:00

A lot of this is simply pandering to (most typically) female mental delusion.

Loads of people believe they can accurately determine people's full intentions, which is essentially a claim to be a mind reader. Even judges and juries in courts of law do this and many laws are founded on the idea! But day to day its usually females who are so very sure of themselves when it comes to these mind reading attempts.

Well, people cannot read minds. They generally have to rely on repeated behaviors to at least have a foundation for a solid guess. Sure, if one behavior is extreme its enough for a solid guess. But most things are subtle. Asking a person out is subtle. Grabbing a person from behind you have never had consentual physical contact with before is extreme. But what exactly is a person's intent in those situations? There is no way to be 100 percent sure. There just isn't.

But its going to be hard for the law and courts to deny that ordinary people cannot do this mind reading trick the law and courts do every single day. Its similar for the boss and the HR department. So they are letting women especially have this concession, but its nuts.

Also, prosecuting someone based on how another person subjectively feels about what was done, rather than what that someone did being objectively wrong is also nutty. Just how responsible am I for your fee fees? There is no clear line.

blaizken_420 · 2023-02-21T17:16:07+00:00

Google

They have no place to talk after firing a man for getting sexually assaulted by a woman.

FlounderBasic8018 · 2023-02-20T17:56:52+00:00

Grooming has also lost its meaning, too.

DivideDangerous6713 · 2023-02-21T13:37:02+00:00

Just waiting for the trite bullshit about "not if they're attractive"...

hsvgamer199 · 2023-02-21T01:58:16+00:00

Don't shit where you eat. In a perfect world, decent people wouldn't have to worry about being falsely metooed but we live in a imperfect world.

Title	What is sexual harassment?
Author	hotpotato138
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Date	February 20, 2023 1:52 PM UTC (3 years ago)
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