What are the differences in opinion between us and /r/theredpill and /r/seduction, if any?

Oldini · 2013-12-01T05:06:40+00:00

I don't know how either of those subreddits are relevant to mensrights. They share some points of view about the current state of affairs, but largely don't really care about mens rights, they're more about understanding the status quo in order to learn how to get an advantage, rather than try and find solutions to resolve the issues.

2013-12-01T05:20:34+00:00

There are pretty much no differences except for the fact that we are nothing alike.

I_am_Norwegian · 2013-12-01T05:43:16+00:00

Between us and TRP? We want to change the system, they want to play inside it. They are unapologetic in their search for the truth (hit and miss as it may be), people here tend to try and keep it at least somewhat politically correct.

Between us and /r/seduction? Everything. It's like asking what's the difference between Feminism and empiricism.

2013-12-01T12:23:40+00:00

I don't know if there is a general difference of opinion, but the focus on each group is different in the extreme.

Red Pillers are more interested in convincing themselves that they are 'Alpha' than they are in anything else, up to and including getting laid.
PUAs just want to get laid, and put entirely too much effort into it (but that is neither here nor there).

StoicSophist · 2013-12-01T05:43:55+00:00

Well, you guys don't seem to think that sociopathic personality traits are something to be aspired to, so you've got that distinction going for you.

C0CKPUNCHER · 2013-12-01T06:09:40+00:00

This thread again.

Sinistar_Lives · 2013-12-01T06:41:11+00:00

edit: nevermind, dont feed the trolls

Homersimpson911 · 2013-12-01T07:20:20+00:00

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ibm2431 · 2013-12-01T05:35:58+00:00

Do you really have nothing better to do with your life other than try to troll and quote-mine some people on Reddit?

rightsbot · 2013-12-01T05:02:16+00:00

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Pecanpig · 2013-12-01T06:00:08+00:00

TRP is less politically correct/courteous.

bookishboy · 2013-12-01T07:33:03+00:00

I think one similarity all 3 have in common is that members of all tend to be friendly towards the idea of behavioral evolution, and formulate world-views which include gender-based differences in attitudes and actions.

For example:

-Documented lack of in-group bias among men, and presence of out-group bias (men favor women but not men)

-Documented presence of in-group bias among women and lack of out-group bias (women favor women but not men)

A reasonable explanation is that this is very possibly genetic rather than cultural in nature, because in earlier hominid society, our ancestors likely derived a reproductive advantage by being over-protective towards its females, requiring males instead to take on the more dangerous tasks including fighting with neighboring hominid tribes and possibly killing or being killed by other males.

This also neatly explains the higher risk-taking behavior of males, and the tendency of females and society to make use of males for accomplishing physically demanding or dangerous work and for procurement of resources for themselves and their children (notice I do not say "and those men's children").

This seems to lead in the direction of the following conclusions:

a) Our behavior patterns, male and female, are in large part defined by what worked for our ancestors in passing on genes, rather than a constructed Patriarchy which oppresses one sex and advantages the other. Culture grew on top of these behaviors rather than the other way around.

b) These behavior patterns can be to an extent quantified, dissected, and understood.... and knowledge of them can be used to one's advantage in dealing with others.

I think these 3 communities differ in the following ways:

/r/theredpill from what I've seen seems to be quite Ok with very traditional male and female roles that humanity developed and to use them as guideposts on how folks can best get along.
/r/seduction recognizes tendencies in gender-based behavior differences and examines them.... especially the differences between what women say they want and what they actually respond to romantically/sexually, and exploit this knowledge for what is essentially greater mating potential. I find this ironic because it makes use of higher cognitive functions to reinforce primitive desires and reproductive success... I say reproductive success, even though what seems to be sought the most often is sex rather than having children.
/r/mensrights seems to recognize the difference between gender behaviors, and use this as a starting point to figure out what's unfair/unequal rights, and what would be fair/equal rights, and how we can make a generally better world where most folks are treated with equal rights even though their life choices and talents will result in them having a wide variety of outcomes in life.

I think that feminists, and feminist-infused societies will naturally lump all three of these communities together because all 3 of them tend to sneer at the idea of Patriarchy as a construct for how society functions. I think that Feminists, women especially are threatened or angered by the interest all 3 show in evolutionarily determined behaviors, because of the light it shines on how often there's a difference between what people (women specifically) say they want and what they seek out. From their perspective, there's this unspoken sentiment that these behaviors can be manipulated (they can be, as can those of men) without realizing it. There's also the suggestion that someone else thinks they know better what women want than women do. In a worst case scenario, "Your mouth says no, but your eyes say yes."

Title	What are the differences in opinion between us and /r/theredpill and /r/seduction, if any?
Author	throwawaysimples
Upvotes	0
Comments	15
Date	December 1, 2013 5:00 AM UTC (12 years ago)
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