Leading expert on ‘maleness’ comes to Toronto to support ‘men’s centre’

prabeast · 2013-06-12T00:57:35+00:00

University gender studies, which is closely allied with education studies, is dominated by courses on male/female issues seen through an “activist female lens”

This quote is far too true. One of my best female friends took a gender issues course at McMaster University. And she said it was terrible. The first class and syllabus stated that the course will look at both perspectives, but the professor went on to discuss feminist nonsense... like analyzing marketing ads and saying how they unilaterally objectify women. The example she gave me was that a half-naked women objectifies women because it treats women as sex objects. A half-naked man is also offensive to women because a) it usually emphasizes male muscles to illustrate men are the stronger gender, b) signifies that women are controlled by their sexuality and assumes that all women are straight, or c) is meant to be a meager attempt by some companies to justify the portrayal of half-naked women in the same ad. She stated that she would never even address the males in the class, and the exams were a complete joke and were marked unfairly to both women and men who tried to write their essays from both gender perspectives.

One result is that schools now educate boys so much more poorly than girls that “if the ill-educated group was black or Jewish or Swahili or right-handed [instead of male], there would be a public outcry.”

This is a very interesting perspective, and one that I don't see here on this SR too often. There is a HUGE education gap emerging in males vs. females. Dr. Tiger even cites the increased amount of ritalin prescribed to boys to make them "learn like females." I think he hits this right on the nose. Men and women do learn differently and have different educational behaviors! Of university enrolment in Canada, only 42% are male, and 58% are female... this is a HUGE gap that would create massive discontent if it was the other way around.

In fact what do feminist groups focus on at the educational level: "there are note enough females in STEM." OK, sure. But what about every single other subject...

http://sunlifebrighterlife.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/hrin8_high-education-gender-gap_en_for-post_sept-7-2012.jpg

Females outnumber males by huge quantities in healthcare, law, humanities, education, business, and visual arts. Where's the concern for this? Why are males systematically discouraged from all these other disciplines.

“I’m not sure that we realize the enormity of the change.”

If we ignore numbers in hard sciences (math, computer science, and engineering). In the social disciplines, women are enrolled in nearly 65% of the subjects. In 10 years, we will see that 2 of 3 university-level educated individuals in... business, healthcare, education, law, politics, arts, humanities will be women. A huge shift is happening, and men are being significantly marginalized in the academic world here in Canada.

I sincerely hope that this article will be upvoted to the front page so this can have more awareness. I also hope that feminists who argue about systemic education issues take a good hard look at the curricula, the enrollment numbers, and the systemic issues in university education for males -- and realize that they are completely on the wrong side of this debate.

[Edited for grammar and clarifying an example]

mountainmansOG · 2013-06-12T07:01:29+00:00

You know I happen to remember, kind of vaguely if I'm honest, that some organization that oversees the student organizations in, I think, Canada addressing the issue of MRA organizations and speakers on campuses a couple weeks ago. The general gist as I remember it was the if this organization wanted to they could generally prevent any MRA speakers from lecturing at colleges. This same organization has a habit of refusing to tell anybody how it has decided on issues brought before it.

Now, just a few weeks later, this well known and respected college professor is speaking in Toronto. Is he speaking at the local uni, U of T? Nooooooo, he's giving his intellectual lecture AT A BAR.

Am I the only person who noticed this?

Is it possible he was forced to give this talk at a bar because U of T refused to let him speak there?

Is this the beginning of the MRA debate being completely censored from college campuses?

tallwheel · 2013-06-12T02:38:36+00:00

I'd never heard of Lionel Tiger, but I feel ashamed now that I hadn't. His book published back in 2000 looks interesting, and outlines trends that are well-known to MRA's today. A look at the reviews suggests to me that maybe his ideas needed some more refinement, but one can hope he has made some progress by now. I wish him the best of luck with the men's centre.

VeryWideDoucheNozzle · 2013-06-12T04:06:14+00:00

Just donated my heart out to this campaign:

http://equalitycanada.com/support/ccmf/

5th_Law_of_Robotics · 2013-06-12T15:53:37+00:00

This launch event is by paid-admission only, and right next to a police headquarters, so protest would be “functionally difficult,” according to a spokesperson for the Canadian Association for Equality, the sponsor of the event.

Gee I wonder why they'd be worried about protestors.

Not like there's a history of feminists using illegal means in an attempt to silence such dialogues.

One result is that schools now educate boys so much more poorly than girls that “if the ill-educated group was black or Jewish or Swahili or right-handed [instead of male], there would be a public outcry.”

Exactly so. Changing it from male to female shouldn't change discrimination from acceptable to wrong. But sadly that's exactly what happens.

SRSLovesGawker · 2013-06-12T00:44:52+00:00

The article itself was pretty rational.

Dunno what's up with that 'headline'.

dermanus · 2013-06-12T04:02:24+00:00

Damn, I thought this was a precursor to an actual gathering where he'll speak to people about it sometime soon. It already happened. I wish I could've gone.

2013-06-12T12:41:24+00:00

5 bucks says they pull the fire alarm again.

superfreak77 · 2013-06-12T16:47:09+00:00

A young friend of my daughter (24) just posted on her FB that she's going to try to be there. Then one of her friends psots this;

"Ahhhh yes, the ol' "switch-a-roo". It is news to me that "schools are drugging boys to behave like girls"... His reliance on apparent biological tendencies are tired, and it would seem that his true concern is summed up by his quote: “It’s never been the case that males had to justify themselves in quite the way that they have to now". Yes, because how dare we make them justify their involvement in domestic violence cases and apparent "primal urges". If I wasn't working, I would go just to enjoy the spectacle."

Nearly all the boxes checkmarked! Sarcasm, self-victimization, passive-aggressive, being male is inherently violent, and culpable of all that's wrong in a relationship.

elebrin · 2013-06-12T02:30:08+00:00

Not sure why, but I expected their expert to be a woman.

Title	Leading expert on ‘maleness’ comes to Toronto to support ‘men’s centre’
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Date	June 11, 2013 11:57 PM UTC (13 years ago)
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