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Gloria Allred under Attack

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Title	Gloria Allred under Attack
Author	Mens-Advocate
Upvotes	14
Comments	52
Date	December 9, 2017 5:03 PM UTC (8 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/7inw6m/gloria_allred_under_attack/
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[–]atheist4thecause 7 points8 points9 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]ee4m -5 points-4 points-3 points 8 years ago* (52 children) | Copy Link

[–]Mens-Advocate[S] 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (32 children) | Copy Link

You err in multiple ways:

"Doesn't make a whole lot of sense to be linking to alt right sources" is a foolish statement. If a source has reliable information, I'll use it. In this instance, the information is indeed reliable; a Google of "Allred forgery" leads to other sources, including the New York Times.
Frankly, I'm more loyal to the ideology of MR than the ideology of left-right you espouse. I don't give a farthing whether an entity is leftist or rightist; we need temporary allies wherever we find them.
Their economic policy is irrelevant to MR except perhaps for the argument that government is inevitably feminist. Western governments currently enforce governance feminism, including massive redistribution from male to female. If anything, the left's principles would make that problem worse.
Trump is irrelevant to MR except for the extent to which he helps us. He has done so thus far in back-tracking the horrendous Dear Colleague letter. I have no doubt his opponent would have shoved the DC letter and much more governance feminism down our throats.
Throwing the accusation of "white supremacism" at Breitbart is a vile lie which borders on defamation. The Breitbart "alt-right" group (including gay Milo and Jewish Breitbart and Pollak) may be provocative but have no overlap whatsoever - neither in personnel nor in ideology - with the racist Spencer "alt-right" group.
A call for investigation into Allred is a good thing for MR and for decency, were the call from the devil himself.

[–]ee4m -3 points-2 points-1 points 8 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

"Doesn't make a whole lot of sense to be linking to alt right sources" is a foolish statement. If a source has reliable information, I'll use it. In this instance, the information is indeed reliable; a Google of "Allred forgery" leads to other sources, including the New York Times.

Its filled under "big government" by Brietbart - which means its being used as an argument for small government (for us, big government for the elite) which is counter productive for mens rights.

Frankly, I'm more loyal to the ideology of MR than the ideology of left-right you espouse. I don't give a farthing whether an entity is leftist or rightist; we need temporary allies wherever we find them.

What I am saying is that this looks like an ally but its really encouraging men to jump out of the frying pan and into the fire.

Their economic policy is irrelevant to MR except perhaps for the argument that government is inevitably feminist. Western governments currently enforce governance feminism, including massive redistribution from male to female. If anything, the left's principles would make that problem worse.

The massive wealth distribution is actually from the average people, to the elite. Which neoliberal and far right economics facilitate. What Brietbart represents is the exceleration of it.

Look at the trump bill - 6 million men lost health insurance, most will end up worse off and the elite got trillions and tax free private jets.

Yet the right is being told its women that they are being screwed by.

Trump is irrelevant to MR except for the extent to which he helps us. He has done so thus far in back-tracking the horrendous Dear Colleague letter. I have no doubt his opponent would have shoved the DC letter and much more governance feminism down our throats.

It is relevant because his policies make near all the mr issues worse. He did throw men that bone, but he is doing a lot of damage to men too.

Throwing the accusation of "white supremacism" at Breitbart is a vile lie which borders on defamation. The Breitbart "alt-right" group (including gay Milo and Jewish Breitbart and Pollak) may be provocative but have no overlap whatsoever - neither in personnel nor in ideology - with the racist Spencer "alt-right" group.

They intentionally dog whistled the white supremacists and racism as part of the trump campaign.

They used the old nazi trick of scapegoating minority groups for problems that are caused by capitalism.

Now lots of men who are disenfranchised by capitalism believe that minorities and even jews are responsible for their problems, instead of capitalism.

[–]Mens-Advocate[S] 9 points10 points11 points 8 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

You've responded with nothing but the usual hard-left pablum. You're welcome to keep trying to impose your deluded left-right dichotomy on MR. It won't work. You'll only ensure the failure of MR.

It is relevant because his policies make near all the mr issues worse.

"[Trump's] policies make near all the mr issues worse"? Which ones? Your pathological loyalty to the misandrist left?

Now lots of men who are disenfranchised by capitalism believe that minorities and even jews are responsible for their problems, instead of capitalism.

Really? When Breitbart and Pollak are Jewish, and Milo has some Jewish ancestry?

Most of the working-class Trump voters I've spoken to, both male and female, were motivated by only one issue: jobs - and the fact that Trump promised to bring them back, while Hillary promised to send yet more abroad. A good many of those "jobs" voters crossed over from traditional Democrat. Racism hadn't a damn thing to do with it.

Right now, the US left should be asking itself why it failed so dismally with the proletariat. It should be revising its trade and jobs policies, not doubling down on identity politics amid spurious accusations of white supremacy.

In any case, I'll continue to give top priority in my own evaluation of politicians, to which will help MR irrespective of whether they're leftist or rightist.

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[–]ee4m 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Here is a chart. BB, while not as a bad as inforwars, is still about as bad as Occupy Democrats is, which is pretty bad.

http://www.allgeneralizationsarefalse.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/media-bias-chart_3.0_Hi-Res.jpg

And you must know Milo has been exposed working with neo nazi and white supremacist leaders on wording for articles and the other journalist that does tech writing running a private neo-nazi FB group.

You must know that 13 million men lost their heath insurance and many more are going to be worse off because of this alt right tax bill.

The far right is pretending to be your friend, and stabbing you in the back.

You mean we have to consider only leftist sources, like the virulently misandrist Guardian, NYT, and WaPo? Count me out.

None of these are leftist.

The misandry you read is a right wing agenda.

The right took over social sciences and postmodernism and used it to serve their own agenda.

When is the last time you heard these "leftists" talking about the decades long attack on the mens labour movement, or putting forward any sort of solution to corporate dominance?

The right and pretend "left "work together, between them they are screwing men socially, legally and economically.

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[+]geniice -8 points-7 points-6 points 8 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Doesn't make a whole lot of sense to be linking to alt right sources" is a foolish statement. If a source has reliable information,

Breitbart isn't a source of reliable information

I'll use it. In this instance, the information is indeed reliable; a Google of "Allred forgery" leads to other sources, including the New York Times.

Which doesn't call it a forgery. The handwriting expert says the cursive is by Moore.

we need temporary allies wherever we find them.

Not entirely unreasonable to judge people by their choice of allies.

Throwing the accusation of "white supremacism" at Breitbart is a vile lie which borders on defamation. The Breitbart "alt-right" group (including gay Milo and Jewish Breitbart and Pollak) may be provocative but have no overlap whatsoever - neither in personnel nor in ideology - with the racist Spencer "alt-right" group.

Not true politicaly:

https://www.buzzfeed.com/josephbernstein/heres-how-breitbart-and-milo-smuggled-white-nationalism?utm_term=.lhVAoJzG2#.jaPe6npDy

And on a personal level Spencer and Milo are linked through Devin Saucier

[–]Mens-Advocate[S] 9 points10 points11 points 8 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link

You're welcome to keep trying to impose your deluded left-right dichotomy on MR. It won't work. You'll only ensure the failure of MR.

Edit:

You cite Buzzfeed. Buzzfeed is not more reliable than Breitbart or the NYT. In fact, likely less.
I've seen the yearbook signature. It's obviously forged, identical to Moore's signature ten years later on the accuser's divorce papers. Nobody signs their name identically twice.
Sorry, I've never seen a public statement by any of the Breitbart crowd that I'd consider racist. Even if verified, email correspondence with unsavoury characters proves nothing. For example, that I've had an exchange or two with the anti-Semite /u/Consilio_et_Animis on this very subreddit, does not make me an anti-Semite.
I don't see any personal relation between Milo and Saucier outside gossip sites relaying ostensible information exchange in unverified emails. I've read communist sites and information from communist sources; that doesn't make me a communist.

[–]theothermod 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]Consilio_et_Animis 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I've had an exchange or two with the anti-Semite /u/Consilio_et_Animis [+2] on this very subreddit, does not make me an anti-Semite.

u/Mens-Advocate believes that unless you accept that doing this to children is "just a bit of fun", then that makes you an "anti-semite":

Theodor Herzl, the effective founder of the modern state of Israel (Home of the Jewish People™, Land of Milk & Honey™, The Promised Land™, Light unto the Nations™ etc. etc.), refused to circumcise his son Hans, because he considered it barbaric. Theodor Herzl is buried atop Mt. Herzel in Jerusalem. I guess you want to dig him up and ship him back to Austria as he's "anti-semitic" eh?

Custom will reconcile people to any atrocity

Here's the sickening reality of this "practice":

WARNING: ALL LINKS AND IMAGES NOT SAFE FOR LIFE

You can watch an infant boy being sexually fondled and masturbated here by a mohel. He's given a forced erection, so then it's easier for the child sex-abuser to mutilate his penis:

https://youtu.be/yaaw7wivUN4?t=3m12s

And here is the proof that this is all deliberate:

In the "Surgery of Ritual Circumcision", Dr. Snowman states, "When the penis of an infant is in a state of erection the operation is more easily performed and the dressing more efficiently applied."

A PDF of the book can be found here:

https://www.15square.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/ND000946.pdf

Here a mohel describes how the point of circumcision is to damage the boy's sexuality:

https://youtu.be/XN65C9tbLP0?t=10m34s

And here he is again, showing the torture and rape tools he will use:

https://youtu.be/XN65C9tbLP0?t=4s

And here's the mohel applying his penis-torture clamp and then amputating the boy's foreskin and mutilating his penis. Turn your volume up to hear those screams! LOL:

https://youtu.be/TEJrYltJzi0?t=3m18s

You can watch a full mutilation here in a child-sex-abuse hospital. The little boy will be raped by having a metal probe forced in-between his foreskin and the glans of the penis. The foreskin is adhered to the glans and birth, and does not separate until he is older. The rape-probe tears the two apart — rather like having a needle forced under your fingernail.

Then the boy will be tortured by having a clamp applied to his penis and his foreskin crushed. Then the child sex-abuser will mutilate his penis by amputating his foreskin.

https://youtu.be/W2PKdDOjooA?t=3m2s

This lucky little boy then gets a "Happy Ending" — the child sex-abuser sucks his bleeding penis, gives him herpes and then the kid gets brain damaged for life or, SPECIAL BONUS, dies.

https://youtu.be/TEJrYltJzi0?t=3m40s

http://failedmessiah.typepad.com/failed_messiahcom/2013/03/15-babies-die-every-year-in-nyc-from-metzitzah-bpeh-herpes-hospitals-cover-up-deaths-leading-yu-rabbi-claims-567.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2304793/Two-babies-stricken-HERPES-ritual-oral-blood-sucking-circumcision-New-York-City.html

Photographs of infant male with herpes lesions on the penis and buttocks from infection via oral sex from a mohel:

http://i.imgur.com/ubxbSQA.png

"Primary Genital Herpes Simplex Infection Associated with Jewish Ritual Circumcision" Medical report from the Children's Center of Israel:

https://www.ima.org.il/FilesUpload/IMAJ/0/54/27431.pdf

Here, a Jewish man expresses his anger at having his penis mutilated by the Jewish community and having his bleeding penis sucked by a mohel. At 16, he meets the mohel who abused him and is overwhelmed with anger. He has difficulty masturbating; suffering bleeding and chafing, and he has difficulties with sex:

https://youtu.be/5DRsJXJop5I?t=1m27s

And note that Jewish ritual sexual mutilation specifically prohibits any attempt to reduce the pain of the amputation. These guys, are hard-core Taliban/ISIS types who specifically state that the fundamental point, or "commandment" (mitzvah) of the mutilation is to cause physical pain to the infant victim:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brit_milah#Anesthetic

"Most prominent acharonim rule that the mitzvah of brit milah lies in the pain it causes, and anesthetic, sedation, or ointment should generally not be used. However, it is traditionally common to feed the infant a drop of wine or other sweet liquid to soothe him."

"Eliezer Waldenberg, Yechiel Yaakov Weinberg, Shmuel Wosner, Moshe Feinstein and others agree that the child should not be sedated, although pain relieving ointment may be used under certain conditions; Shmuel Wosner particularly asserts that the act ought to be painful, as per Psalms 44:23."

"The bodily pain caused to that member is the real purpose of circumcision."

— Moses Maimonides (1135-1204). One of the greatest Jewish sages.

http://www.cirp.org/library/cultural/maimonides/

This poll shows the vast majority of Jews say no anaesthetic should be used:

http://www.thejc.com/poll/should-a-mohel-use-anaesthetic

Even the UK Jewish Medical Association states that no anaesthetic must be used by the child-sex-abuser:

http://jewishmedicalassociationuk.org/uk-jewish-medical-issues/circumcision

So pedophillia, sexual molestation, masturbation, rape, penis torture, genital mutilation, oral baby sex, herpes infection, brain damage, depression, PTSD, suicide and death.

All in the name of "religion".

Nice.

[+]geniice -7 points-6 points-5 points 8 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

Thats not really a coherent response to my comments. Oh look you edited.

You cite Buzzfeed. Buzzfeed is not more reliable than Breitbart or the NYT. In fact, likely less.

Better than Breitbart and in any case that story has proven pretty solid.

I've seen the yearbook signature. It's obviously forged, identical to Moore's signature ten years later on the accuser's divorce papers. Nobody signs their name identically twice.

The expert disagrees.

Sorry, I've never seen a public statement by any of the Breitbart crowd that I'd consider racist. Even if verified, email correspondence with unsavoury characters proves nothing. For example, that I've had an exchange or two with the anti-Semite Consilio_et_animis on this very subreddit, does not make me an anti-Semite.

In an October 2016 email, Milo Yiannopoulos described the 28-year-old Saucier as “my best friend.” (he was trying to obtain a gift for Saucier)

I don't see any personal relation between Milo and Saucier outside gossip sites relaying ostensible information exchange in unverified emails.

Hey if you want to be in denial about the emails thats you problem. The Karaoke session is also interesting.

[–]Mens-Advocate[S] 6 points7 points8 points 8 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Indeed it is. I'm no "conservative"; I think the conservative, free-market crowd dogmatic and unrealistic, but you leftists are insane if you think the left sympathetic to MR.

Edit: Two seconds' investigation of your Devin Saucier claim shows the mendacious rot at the core of hard-leftism:

Here's one article on the ostensible "relationship" between Milo and the racist right, referencing Buzzfeed claims:

"A Newly Unearthed Video Shows Milo Yiannopoulos And His Breitbart Cronies Giving The Nazi Salute"
http://verifiedpolitics.com/newly-unearthed-video-shows-milo-yiannopoulos-breitbart-cronies-giving-hitler-salute/

However, the video only shows Milo singing the anodyne song, "America the Beautiful", likely in semi-drunken karaoke. Milo certainly does not give a Nazi salute. You and your "sources" lie.

As I've said, the conservatives are wrong that the free market solves all. But you hard-leftists are as loony as the feminists. You first decide, on the basis of emotion, the outcome you want; then, you go about accumulating drivel to back up your emotions.

As an MRA, I continue to think Milo's "Feminism is Cancer" tour magnificent. And I have seen not one statement from Milo or the Breitbart crowd supporting white supremacism. You hard-leftists just make stuff up.

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Alt right and economic fascism are the enemy of men too.

This movement has been systematically eroding wages, jobs, job security, democracy and destroyed the mens (labour) movement. 6 million men in america just lost their heath insurance, for example and brietbart helped do that to them.

Has Gloria done more damage to american men as the trump tax reforms would? I doubt it.

The ford foundation is credited with creating both modern feminism and helping kick off the right libertarian movement in the latin american free market dictatorships.

loony-leftism

The loony left is the neoliberal left, its a creation of the right, both sides attack men, one socially and legally, one economically.

Here is a declassified cia document that explains how the cia funded and controlled postmodernist intellectuals and social sciences and used them to discredit, split and control the left, while moving it the right.

https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP86S00588R000300380001-5.PDF

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clown

.. and you're a prick. Kindly FOAD.

loony right

As I have said more than once, I'm no conservative. In fact, I specifically reject tradcon white-knighting. However, a realistic comparison of left vs right shows that the "loony right"

doesn't seem compelled to turn MR threads about Allred into left-right debates.
doesn't reduce every issue to one of identity, in particular obsessively demonising white males for all of humanity's errors.
doesn't seem intent upon ignoring the jobs pain of America's beleaguered working class.
has not made one of its key objectives the advancement of unlimited feminist governance
frequently defends due process for men.

Of the pro-male women I've listed here without regard to party, almost all turn out to be conservative:
https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/39z669/womens_recognition_award/

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