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Eleanor Williams: False rape claims have caused harm to survivors

Kagedeah

March 15, 2023
104 upvotes
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cumbria-64963155
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Title Eleanor Williams: False rape claims have caused harm to survivors
Author

Kagedeah

Upvotes 104
Comments 16
Date March 15, 2023 12:21 PM UTC
(3 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/11rurfu/eleanor_williams_false_rape_claims_have_caused/
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/eleanor-williams-false-rape-claims-have-caused.1176927
https://theredarchive.com/post/1176927
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Comments

[–]Wylanderuk 31 points32 points33 points 3 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

She is not wrong, but it does smack somewhat of "women are the primary victims of war".

[–]Fearless-File-3625 19 points20 points21 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's not completely true either.

This is not the first false rape accuser yet everyone believed her, they literally vandalised the property of 3 accused, sent them death threats, racially abused Asians etc. There could be a million false accusations straight, and still everyone would believe the next one.

If false accusations damage the credibility of future complaints then how come this shit keeps happening again and again?

Fact is people will keep believing women no matter the evidence or number of instances of false accusations.

[+]PumpkinSpicGrl -7 points-6 points-5 points 3 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Mentioning that this hurts women is not the same as mentioning that women suffer the most… if you read everything about womens struggles as a direct assault on male struggles, you will be perpetually offended.

[–]Clemicus 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

It hurts victims

[–]IronJohnMRA 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Do you mean the victims of false accusations?

[–]Clemicus 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I just replied with that because the previous poster gendered it

[–]Wylanderuk 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well not a feminist so my trigger level for offense is quite high and frankly this does article does not even reach the level of mildly irritating for me.

[–]dhorvath127 11 points12 points13 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't give a fuck how it effects women. This shouldn't be about women. It's about the male victims.

[–]_No_Pain_No_Gain 13 points14 points15 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Correct. Now real victims will have it hard to get believed because of those disgusting creatures who false accused men. They must be very ashamed of themselves!

[–]denyjunctionfunction 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Reddit at it again removing these posts from r/news

[–]Clemicus 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"Cumbria Police [conducted] a really good investigation and brought someone to justice for what they did. We need to move on from that and recognise this is just a one-off*.

"Ninety-nine per cent of complainants are genuine*. What we need to do is investigate properly and ensure [cases] are brought to court and people are prosecuted.

Kinda ironic given his position back in 2012 and the topic.

Nothing will change

[–]Intimate100 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

False rape claims are serious! This one person has almost caused three men to die! She must be held accountable. Good work whoever exposed these lies! Men are often raped. They need support. False rape claims by women (and men) need to be publicized. All claims need to be investigated

[–]IronJohnMRA 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

In this case she got eight and a half years. That is a big improvement over what we've seen in the past. As for how long she will serve, that remains to be seen.

[–]IronJohnMRA 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I hate that. Completely ignoring the very serious and real harm done to people, in favor of unrelated, hypothetical victims. It's just thoughtless and uncaring.

[–]RunawayGrain 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You know what's really wild?

This girls not that bad looking. She could have gone down to the local pub and gotten copious amounts of attention from a lot of guys just based on that fact.

But that wasn't enough.

Whatever is psychologically wrong with her demanded she do actual harm to someone to satiate it. As Shakespeare said, "Look like the innocent flower, but be the serpent under it."

[–]Lolocraft1 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The reason things like that happen is because the majority of people don’t have enough critical thinking

All double standarts are like that: Men can’t get raped, believe all women, she accused him, so it must be true

The same apply when the truth come out, and now people with a lack of critical thinking are desoriented, and now will think the other extreme. In this case, that women all lie

The Eleanor Williams case would have been way less awful if people would have at least waited for the investigation, if not the judgement. The harm here isn’t the accusation itself (at a certain point), it’s all the social consequence that follow.

And now, since the moral compass of people with lack of critical thinking has been "broken", of course real female victim will have a tough time, because barely anyone seems to find nuance

And it will keep happening, because the first one who decide a culprit and the first one to decide a sentence is always the ones who doesn’t know jackshit about laws and criminology. And they usually have an easy access to social platform to spread their crap

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