Police respond to reports of active shooter at YouTube headquarters - Female active shooter

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This is a problem that nobody wants to talk about, especially feminists, it absolutely can't enter into their minds that all this horrible treatment of men is having consequences like mass shootings and lots of suicide especially with it being so bad in America.

As much as I agree with you, they don't even want to entertain the notion. As far as feminists are concerned if doesn't personally affect them and it's nothing to do with their lives, they they give a shit. However these are the very same people who have control over the narrative and try to shut up any discussion about the subject. If we want to get to the root cause then making sure to fight anybody who even attempts censorship is currently the best response.

The reason being should be obvious but if we can't even discuss the issue how can we fix the problem? I think this is one of the biggest reasons mass shootings aren't being stopped.

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My personal theory is it's most likely the communities themselves that foster the environment. Regardless of ideology the main cause seems to be the fact that in each of these cases the community involved somehow decided to ostracise the individual as much as possible, but they don't stop there in the case of mass shooters and deliberately demonise them and attack them as much as possible until the inevitable happens and they lash out.

That's as far as the men are concerned I think in a lot of these cases where people didn't thing there was much wrong with them. The rest are either just flat out crazy or they've been completely indoctrinated.

If you don't believe me on the male shooter situation, the girl with the shaved head constantly speaking at anti-gun rallies over the Florida shooting admitted she ostracised the shooter and tried to justify it which indicates to me not all is as it seems in those communities.

This is kind of a thing for me, because even though I've not experienced anything near as dramatic what people on this sub have been through, I'm from Bradford, so I know what it's like living in a shithole community that you absolutely despise. Adding to that, I have firsthand experience of the kind of schools that can lead to creating the mentality for a mass shooter which is why I'm convinced it's going to be down to the community involved and they definitely won't be completely innocent in these cases.

What sucks most is the fact that all these other innocent people who might have otherwise at least try to get help for these shooters will have inevitably got dragged into their rampages.

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The reality is men are more risk takers, for the good and for the bad.

All the people that put themselves as human shields for another person in the recent Vegas shooting were males. Some died. Do you think we should address it? Try to get more women to give their lives for others?

Both the shooting and the human shield behaviours come from men taking more risks. Unless you can change human biology you are not going to change this difference. When a person is so frustrated, depressed and mentally gone that he starts fantasizing about a murdering end, a man will actually go for it with higher probability than a woman. Same with a heroic act like being a human shield, a man will do it with a higher probability than a woman.

This should not be an excuse to avoid looking into what is happening with young males. But it is something to take into account. I personally think that trying to educate men as defective women and trying to make them become more feminized is confusing and frustrating them, because those attitudes work for women but lead to failures in men, something modern women, most teachers, have a hard time understanding. Feeling so lost, shamed to death by society if they chose another path and with no masculine role models in sight, they reach a point where they give up and decide to go out with a bang.

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We actually don't experience the same emotions. A lot of them are common, we are all humans after all, but there are certain emotions that are feminine and other masculine. For example, a man will never truly understand what a mother feels when pregnant, because we never fill it. Similarly a women will have a hard time understanding what is to experience a strong rush of testosterone.

That said, IMO the problem of men not seeking help is that modern society has cut all the environments where men get help and is trying to tell men to seek help like a woman, when it does not work for us.

For example, men don't do well talking, we do better when doing. That is why a lot of time it is more therapeutic for us to just join a friend in some repetitive task and talk silly things, than to go sit somewhere and talk our feelings. A women would find that stupid, but it helps us. But modern society has eliminated male spaces, where men can be men without worrying about offending a female, and has ridiculed bromances.

Moreover, men are told to share their weakness and failure with women, but women are repulsed by weakness in men. You might object to this but its true. We men know this instinctively hence why we need male spaces and "bros", not being told to open up to women until we have something figured out.

Another one, men need time to unwind. It has been proven that men benefit from resting in silent doing nothing after a long task, like a day of work. In the past women were told to give the husband a drink and let him unwind after work, but now asking the same is misogynistic and men are told they have to pay attention to their partners to be good husbands.

I could go on and on. My point is that men and women deal with emotional problems differently. We need a different process and telling us to behave more like women won't help. The problem is that feminism has closed a lot of the ways men had traditionally for dealing with issues, like invading and eliminating male spaces. And instead of recognizing it, you tell us the problem is we don't behave like women (toxic masculinity).

And I am not saying that we need to go back to the traditional gender roles exactly. There is value in tradition, but it can always be changed for improvement. But any change has to come from a realistic point of view. And in the last decades all the changes have been influenced by feminism and the view that men and women are basically equal, which is not realistic. Instead any positive change has to take into account the natural differences between men and women. Only this way we will find success.

[–]GoldenWulwa 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You're right about hormonal differences. I should have made what I meant more clear. I was referring to loneliness, sadness, desolation, etc.

And admittedly I have a hard time accepting women are repulsed by weakness, but I only have my own experiences. My female friends don't act that way or make negative comments. I never had. I've held boyfriend as they've cried.I guess I believe women do, but I don't believe it's on a massive scale. That's my bias as a woman who doesn't feel that way about men and emotions. But I do believe your experiences and believe men have experienced it. I truly hate that.

As someone in psychology, I believe another issue is that women more often are the ones to become accessible therapists and counselors, especially in school. They may know in theory what works, but it's hard to feel what works when men and women are wired a bit differently.

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This is true. I think this is left over from when men did hold all of the power in society. A man acts this way because he wants to (the idea held, not my beliefs). A woman acted certain ways because she had to. If a woman killed a man, she got lucky she could even do it. If a man killed a woman, that was unfair due to power dynamics and because typically women are physically weaker.

"Why would such a sweet innocent creature kill? Obviously he was horrible!"

"Why did this man kill such a sweet innocent creature? Obviously he was horrible!"

This is possibly my own bias, but I think that, in the justice system, women are still seen as less capable and weak. They aren't expected to be in control of their emotions. Men are. And from a defense standpoint, who is going to believe a five foot four female was abusing a six foot male?

Women are seen as perpetual victims. Men are perpetual aggressors.

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Those are good points. I apologize about my statement generalizing young men. I should have said “why are -these- young men turning to violence”. I didn’t intend to implicate all young men, just the ones who are at risk of these behaviors.

Ostracizing is a factor, but I’m hesitant to blame bullying by itself. I don’t have any data to compare, but women and men are bullied by peers. But we don’t see bullied women shooting people. I can believe boys are bullied more by both genders as it’s generally felt to be “too mean” for guys to bully girls. I’m not saying it doesn’t happen. But I can see how guys are more likely to bully other guys over girls because of the mindset they should “be able to take it”. Girls will bully any gender. I don’t see them discriminating.

I think it could be an interesting study to see the different ways boys and girls are bullied and the support networks available for both. It could be a big step in pinpointing ways to help prevent this.

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Title	Police respond to reports of active shooter at YouTube headquarters - Female active shooter
Author	BlindNowhereMan
Upvotes	55
Comments	52
Date	April 3, 2018 8:54 PM UTC (8 years ago)
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