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"sleeping With".. Its called Rape! This shit has to stop!

BlindNowhereMan

October 30, 2018
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Title "sleeping With".. Its called Rape! This shit has to stop!
Author

BlindNowhereMan

Upvotes 107
Comments 36
Date October 30, 2018 8:40 AM UTC
(7 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/9sm0pn/sleeping_with_its_called_rape_this_shit_has_to/
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/sleeping-with-its-called-rape-this-shit-has-to.1184146
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Comments

[–]blazingkittyhawk 20 points21 points22 points 7 years ago (28 children) | Copy Link

But women can’t rape

/s

[–]Imergence 10 points11 points12 points 7 years ago (24 children) | Copy Link

They can't be pedophiles either!

/s

[–]SchmidtytheKid 8 points9 points10 points 7 years ago (22 children) | Copy Link

But they can be men

/s

[–]Lordkeravrium 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (21 children) | Copy Link

As a full supporter of men’s rights, it’s really rude for you to attack trans men like that. This is besides the point. Trans men are just as much men as you or me and they suffer from discrimination too. In fact, they’re in need of our support. Plenty of radical feminists, these specific types are called turfs, exclude trans women from their rallies. Listen, trans men need our support too.

[–]SchmidtytheKid 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (18 children) | Copy Link

As a full supporter of men’s rights, it’s really rude for you to attack trans men like that. This is besides the point.

If that is beside the point, then why make it your first point? I'll stand by my statement that women can't be men. Now women can be trans-men and vice versa, but biologically they will always be what they were born as. If you consider that an attack on trans-men then that sounds like an issue with you and not me.

[–]Lordkeravrium 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (17 children) | Copy Link

Trans men generally find it offensive when people say that they’ll never be real men. And they are real men. This is because “man” is just a gender. Male is a sex while man is a gender.

[–]SchmidtytheKid 3 points4 points5 points 7 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

Trans men generally find it offensive when people say that they’ll never be real men.

Are you a trans-man or just white knighting on behalf of trans-men? I can never be a real cat, but this person seems to disagree with that assertion. I generally find it offensive when someone implies I have a discriminatory attitude towards a group of people because I state a biological fact.

Male is a sex while man is a gender.

And Gender Dysphoria is a psychiatric disorder. What's your point?

[–]Lordkeravrium -1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

Gender dysphoria is a psychiatric disorder. However it’s not because they feel like the opposite sex. Gender dysphoria is simply the DISCOMFORT they get. The treatment for said dysphoria is transition. Listen, “man” is not a biological sex. Also, this trans man seems to hate being told he’ll never be a real man https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-3KyZ4V8XIE.

[–]SchmidtytheKid 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I hate being told a lot of things that are true, but I need to hear them from time to time. The truth hurts, but to be truthful is to be kind. If a person wants to lie to themselves, that is their choice, but I don't lie to people to make them feel good about their life decisions. I thought trans people that transitioned, did it to feel better about themselves and not to seek validation from peers and society. Perhaps Ryan never heard the saying that you shouldn't give a shit about what other people say or think about you?

[–]dogkindrepresent 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

You're meant to treat the distress, not conform to the delusion. It's strange because usually in psychology playing along with delusion is the last thing you're supposed to do normally.

That was presented in a legal case recently but dismissed on technicality.

What this means is that you now must pay for incels with your medical insurance to have height increasing medical procedures and looks enhancements. You must also pay for old people to have face lifts. You must also now pay for breast enlargements for porn actresses on your medical insurance bill.

As long as they threaten suicide, today's new form of terrorism (AKA, insurance fraud).

[–]Lordkeravrium 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

That’s really offensive. Medical insurance can support what they want. We owe them our money because they provide FOR US. We’re paying for a service to help us, not taxes to the government, they’re totally different things.

And last time I checked, this subreddit focuses on suicide in men A LOT. And just because you haven’t heard a fact a lot, doesn’t mean it’s not true. Also, it’s not a delusion. Gender is a social construct, not a biology.

[–]dogkindrepresent2 points 7 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Your position is really offensive as well. Not only to me but to truth. Your point?

I think the suicide argument is becoming problematic all around. It's like whoever gets the highest suicide score gets the best treatment. Great way to encourage suicide. That's actually made me think of killing myself to support my niche cause. Well done. Please stop with this suicide olympics nonsense. As if oppression olympics weren't bad enough.

Is Tibet free? No. Should Tibet be free? I don't know. No amount of suicide will change that.

If you want to wear a dress sure that's not biological and I don't care about that so what's your point?

I only have a problem if you deny biological sex and say stuff like my sexuality where I'm attracted to females isn't allowed to exclude trans females because you believe that they're also females erasing male and female.

If you don't take that position, I think you'll find actually we'll get along fine and I don't think you're delusional at all, transgender or not.

[–]Lordkeravrium1 point 7 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

I’m not saying any of that. I meant to say that saying that fighting suicide isn’t important is hypocritical. I think it’s very important. And I never meant to deny sexuality. You simply don’t wanna be fucked in the ass. However, saying stuff like “I don’t date men” is kinda transphobic. Just say “I don’t wanna get fucked in the ass” or that you don’t like dick. But I do believe that gender and biological sex are different things.

[–]dogkindrepresent2 points 7 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

I'd also like to reduce suicide but there's been a lot of misguided attempts at this mostly really not against suicide but for some partisan cause and that's messed things up.

Actually I don't even want to sleep with a male that can pass as a female. Unless I know about it and it's my choice. It's not transphobic. In fact it's the other way around. I've always been pro-trans until I asked them directly where they stood on this and they were like "YOU FUCKING TRANSPHOBE WE'LL RAPE THE SHIT OUT OF YOU HOW DARE YOUR SEXUALITY EXCLUDE US YOU BIGOT!" which was pretty bigoted against my sexuality. When I asked them I expected them to put my worries to bed. Instead they confirmed my worst fears and then I saw all their lies and excuses used to attack my sexuality in their academic material and in their policy advice submitted to government. I don't think all trans are like that but many are and ignorance of that isn't going to do us any favors. Bigots need to be taken out of service regardless of their faction.

I do believe there's a difference between biological sex and the culture built around it. For example in humans sex or gender refers to a biological reality. It's contextual though. Talking about a female character in a show acted by a male we refer to its sex or gender as a she. But we refer to the actor as a male. We assign female to a dress but actually unlike humans it has no innate gender. I agree there are different things although personally I don't separate the word gender from sex to achieve that. Instead in each case of a thing it's applied to I would say if that's culture or not. Even with your belief of this separation of words sex and gender mean the same thing when applied to humans. Their innate sex or gender. Even gender as a culture derives from that reality. Gender means the culture per sex under your definition. It's a direct mapping. If you have a gender or culture for each sex then you have as many genders or cultures as there are sexes.

[–]Lordkeravrium2 points 7 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

That’s totally ok for you to believe. If you don’t feel comfortable having sex with them, that’s totally fine. Just don’t go around saying “I don’t date men”. Just calmly say “it makes me feel uncomfortable dating someone who used to identify as a man”. But referring to them as a man is what is transphobic. What is also rud is to refer to a straight man who dates trans women as gay. I’m not comfortable sleeping or dating a man who passes as a woman. But I am comfortable sleeping with a woman with a dick. But if you aren’t, that’s fine. It’s your sexual preference, no one else’s.

[–]dogkindrepresent1 point 7 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

You mean is a man, now dressed up as a woman. That's not transphobic. That's just how I see it. The definition of transphobic as my perception not being how they want me to perceive is not useful at all. It's down right tyrannical.

If some people want to live as a female and lets say, act out that character, fine with me. What I don't agree with is with this horrible notion of what you don't know wont hurt you or a magician never reveals his tricks.

I quite like chicks with dicks. There's no excessive deception there and it can be a lot of fun. Real dicks are not tricks.

[–]Lordkeravrium1 point 7 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Wait so you mean you like trans women or you dont? Sorry I’m getting confused. i swear I’m not being sarcastic so I apologize if this sounds that way, I’m actually just wondering. Are you referring to trans women as women or men dressed as women?

[–]dogkindrepresent1 point 7 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

I don't like liars. Some transthingiemajigs are that beyond the unavoidable.

[–]Hot4M 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

They have every right to be offended just like I have the right to state facts like a woman will never be a man. Facts trump feelings and your feelings really don’t matter to anyone but yourself.

[–]Lordkeravrium 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

There’s a difference between gender and biological sex. Man and woman are genders while male and female are sexes

[–]vagrantchemist 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Yeah and that sounds like crazy people justifying other crazies behavior, and does nothing for humanity as a whole. Humanity doesn't have to accept this gender is a construct crap, but individuals can if they so choose. Just know that they will always be a fringe of society and be treated as such. Natural evolution doesn't favor the mentally disturbed. Give it another generation or two and this gender construct crap will be an afterthought. And stop using suicide to garner sympathy for mentally ill individuals. Society deals with all kinds of tragedy, and suicide is cowardly considering how much we fight against genocide and homicide. For people to take their lives over trivality shows how meaningless their purpose to humanity's future truly is. As cold as that sounds, nature has to move on with or without the non-breeding gender queer groups.

[–]Lordkeravrium 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

That is really offensive and you are an apathetic asshole to think something like that

[–]vagrantchemist2 points 7 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Thank you! I used my free speech to do it.

[–]Hot4M 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Except for the fact they will never have a functioning penis, never have a Y chromosome and never be able to impregnate a woman. Trannys are confused and need mental help not acceptance. Accepting a mental health disorder is harmful not helpful.

[–]lordpk888 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Ummmmm I don’t think you know what part of being trans is a disorder. The discomfort is a disorder not that they feel like the opposite sex and when they transition, they feel better. Also, tranny is a very offensive term. Please do not use it.

[–]slam9 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yah. There was an article here just last week about how Canada deemed female pedophiles to be "non-dangerous" because there were (allegedly) less of them.

This downplaying of female sex offenders is so infuriating.

[–]starkfuture 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

In cucked Canada.

[–]Deathstrike30001 point 7 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

They also can't be "perverts" that watch porn and screw themselves either...

[–]Shitworldwelivein1 point 7 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Or sexually assault and molest people of both genders and of any age.....

[–]boringusername7 6 points7 points8 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

This actually might not be legal rape in this case. The Age of consent in NJ is 16 and the boy in question was 16 at this time (not sure when this started). The Post calling it only sexual misconduct might be correct because of the teacher student relationship, if this was just two people it might not be anything criminal occuring. IANAL but that is my assumption.

[–]dogkindrepresent 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The problem with the word rape is that there are so many degrees. Cold can range from 18 degrees c to minus two hundred or more.

Abuse of a position of authority is considered rape. Probably around -1c in this case.

Realistically though she's too well connected and too hot to serve real time rape or not.

[–]thrway_1000 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Archive -- https://archive.is/HxSmP

[–]Lordkeravrium 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So do you mean you’re ok with it if she says she’s trans?

[–]aprilmariko1 points 7 years ago [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

Rape is inherently unwanted (look it up).

If they called it “sleeping with” then it was probably wanted. Still illegal just not rape in terms of definition. Maybe statutory rape.

I really don’t understand how you idiots get tripped over this every time. look up “rape”

[–]BlindNowhereMan[S] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Because if the genders are reversed its called rape.

[–]aprilmariko 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

How do you know?

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