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James Damore Says People Won't Hire Him Because They're Afraid of Google

EqualMeansEqual

February 24, 2018
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Title James Damore Says People Won't Hire Him Because They're Afraid of Google
Author

EqualMeansEqual

Upvotes 123
Comments 54
Date February 24, 2018 4:00 PM UTC
(8 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/7zxfnz/james_damore_says_people_wont_hire_him_because/
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[–][deleted] 38 points39 points40 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Whistle-blower.

[–]Sasha_ 16 points17 points18 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

If I was Microsoft, Amazon, Alibaba or Yahoo I'd hire him in a heartbeat just to piss Google off.

[–]nitzua 11 points12 points13 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

most of those companies probably have similar approaches to diversity quotas.

[–]v574v 22 points23 points24 points 8 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link

If I had a lawsuit against google for discrimination:

  • I wouldn't look for a job.
  • I would say that my lack of job is because of google.

[–]POSVT 18 points19 points20 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Generally when the victim of a tort or other civil claim you have an obligation to mitigate your damages. Failing to do so (or try) can result in those damages being excluded from consideration.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points12 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Yep, so apply everywhere, and save all the rejection letter/emails. Then sue for millions.

[–]POSVT 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Ideally, yeah. Apply everywhere you're qualified, then where you're overqualified ect. ect., then you have to show in court that your not being hired was their fault, then prove your damages. If you end up only able to get a job flipping burgers when you're qualified to do a job earning x, the difference between x & burger flipping wages could be damages. Once your actual damages are tallied, then punitive damages can be determined, and so on and so on. Could potentially be a few mill involved at the end, especially if they get lawyers fees included.

[–]v574v 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Getting the job or not getting the job is determined by your resume and your behaviour in the interview.

You can "look for a job" while not really looking for a job just ask kids that exploit the social safety net.

[–]POSVT 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes, but in court none of that is taken for granted - you have to prove it by a preponderance of the evidence. That's the lowest standard admittedly, but the judges aren't stupid - though juries usually are, but that's a separate bag of worms.

[–]sycophantasy 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Living in San Fran is expensive tho.

[–]shit-zen-giggles 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

You'd have to proof that beyond reasonable doubt though.

[–]MisterDamage 10 points11 points12 points 8 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Civil court, standard is balance of probabilities

[–]MRMRedPill 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

I thought civil court threshold was "preponderance of evidence." Am I outwright wrong, or are those two things essentially the same?

[–]MisterDamage 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

They're basically the same https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof_(law)

[–]WikiTextBot 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Burden of proof (law)

The burden of proof (Latin: onus probandi) is the duty of a party in a trial to produce the evidence that will prove the claims they have made against the other party. In a legal dispute, one party is initially presumed to be correct and gets the benefit of the doubt, while the other side bears the burden of proof. When a party bearing the burden of proof meets their burden, the burden of proof switches to the other side. Burdens may be of different kinds for each party, in different phases of litigation.


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[–]HelperBot_ 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

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[–]MRMRedPill 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Right on. Thank you for the link.

[–]shit-zen-giggles 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Thanks for the correction!

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Headline doesn't seem to match, but yes, there almost certainly is a witch hunt at Google against conservatives. Oh well. Everybody duck.

[–]NoFanOfTheCold 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I respect Damore, and I believe whole-heartedly he got fucked. But like Kaepernick, when you get involved in a very public controversy people are likely to shy away from hiring you.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Sadly like most who challenge, he will win after he is long dead. just like Galileo.

[–]waggacuz 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Disgusting

[–]xNOM 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Um... small correction: he does not have a "Harvard doctorate." He bailed early to work for Google.

[+]headhot -38 points-37 points-36 points 8 years ago (30 children) | Copy Link

He can't be hired because what company want to deal with that billshit? Companies want employees working, not engaging in political debate.

[–]EqualMeansEqual[S] 43 points44 points45 points 8 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

If you think that the workplace at Google was apolitical until Damore showed up, then you really don't know what the culture of the technology industry is like. There are tons of feminist activists actively pushing for more and more programs to discriminate against men. Not only is this tolerated, it's encouraged by many companies. I've seen people given awards for their activism in the workplace.

[–]shit-zen-giggles 8 points9 points10 points 8 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link

Google apparently fired another guy on the other side of the debate as well. I can't tell wether that's just them safeguarding against Damore's lawsuit (along the lines of: "See, we are firing people from the other camp as well, so we don't pursue a one sided policy) or wether they are honestly motivated to de-politicise their work environment.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/7zpzfv/exengineer_sues_google_saying_he_was_fired_for/

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/feb/21/google-lawsuit-tim-chevalier-diversity-james-damore

[–]tnonee 18 points19 points20 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Chevalier appears to be an extremist who crossed a line too many, but he still received several bonuses for doing social justice activism. These were handed out by being nominated by fellow coworkers.

Google is not willing to depoliticize, and the consensus in tech among those who speak with their real name is still that Damore is a misogynist techbro. Almost all the pushback happens pseudonymously, that's how bad it has gotten.

This has been years in the making. DongleGate was 2013. Brendan Eich resigned from Mozilla in 2014. By then Codes of Conduct were common place at the tech events. When GamerGate happened tons of techies bought the "harassment of women" narrative without question.

[–]shit-zen-giggles 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I know, I've followed these incidents online and those where just the tip of the iceberg, as the saying goes.

[–]EqualMeansEqual[S] 10 points11 points12 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If you read Damore's lawsuit, he presents evidence that Chevalier repeatedly posted things to the company's internal systems promoting politically motivated violence. The company had every right to fire him, and the fact that he wasn't fired until months after Damore speaks volumes about the priorities of this company and our society.

[+]headhot -8 points-7 points-6 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I've been in 4 start ups and have working in the tech sector in silicon valley, Denver and the east coast. I know what it's like. They engage in policies to get and retain staff. Anything that they believe doesn't contribute to the bottom line is a distraction and won't be tolerated.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If you think that applies to Google, I believe you haven't seen the Damore legal filing.

[–]MRMRedPill 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm in a startup now and we have a company Slack channel dedicated to personal discussion and political debate. The company encourages casual discussion for bonding and for breaks from work. It seems like Google had the same kind of thing, but with internal systems of Google's. And they still do. It isn't seen as taking away from the bottom line as long as everyone is getting their projects in on time. Were your companies so strict that they didn't allow personal discussion and personal breaks? If so, those sounds like shitty places to work.

[–]TracyMorganFreeman 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

they believe

Being delusional about what is meritorious doesn't make them right.

[+][deleted] -16 points-15 points-14 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Irrelevant, no-one is going to hire someone who wrote a memo arguing that the inherent inferiority of women means they must all be fired and that IS what he was arguing despite the right-wing SJWs claiming otherwise.

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points16 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Welcome to downvote city for saying something so biased and factually lacking it hurts to read your drivel.

[–]mikesteane 10 points11 points12 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

that IS what he was arguing

No, it isn't.

[–]PMmepicsofyourtits 11 points12 points13 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Perhaps you ought to actually read the memo?

[–]Onithyr 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't think it's a matter of not reading. I genuinely think that many of these people are simply to dense to understand that there is a difference between "the differences in the statistical distributions mean that fewer women would qualify for X than men" and "no women would ever qualify for X and all men will".

[–]TracyMorganFreeman 7 points8 points9 points 8 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link

Apparently Google wants the latter.

[+]headhot -24 points-23 points-22 points 8 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

Google wants the best possible staff it can find. You don't get that with your employees calling half the population inferior. That's why he got shit canned and that's why he's blacklisted.

[–]TracyMorganFreeman 24 points25 points26 points 8 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

Google wants the best possible staff it can find.

You don't get that with diversity for diversity's sake.

You don't get that with your employees calling half the population inferior.

He didn't say that.

That's why he got shit canned and that's why he's blacklisted.

No it's because he went against the narrative that diversity for diversity sake actually is good, moral and effective.

[+]headhot -16 points-15 points-14 points 8 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

Did you read what he wrote?

[–]bassatwork 18 points19 points20 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's amazing how people can read the same thing and come up with such different interpretations.

One comes from analyzing the source of the content, and yours comes from what the media told you it said.

[–]TracyMorganFreeman 15 points16 points17 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Did you?

[–]CountVonVague 13 points14 points15 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Clearly you didn't

[–]shit-zen-giggles 8 points9 points10 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Discussions about this text sometimes remind me of the dress "debate", seriously.

[–]Krissam 6 points7 points8 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Except in 99% of the cases they never read the memo, they're just repeating what they heard salon or kotaku write about it.

[–]WikiTextBot 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The dress

"The dress" is a photograph that became a viral Internet sensation on 26 February 2015, when viewers disagreed over whether the colors of the item of clothing depicted were black and blue or white and gold. The phenomenon revealed differences in human color perception which have been the subject of ongoing scientific investigation in neuroscience and vision science, with a number of papers published in peer-reviewed science journals.

The photo originated from a washed-out color photograph of a dress posted on the social networking service Tumblr. In the first week after the surfacing of the image alone, more than 10 million tweets mentioned the dress, using hashtags such as #thedress, #whiteandgold and #blackandblue.


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[–]iongantas 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The actual colors are neither black and blue, nor white and gold, they are blue and gold. It may be argued that they are some other set of colors that appear that way due to lighting, but the colors in the photograph itself are blue (specifically several light tints of blue) and gold (being a brownish yellow).

Interestingly, if you consider this in terms of additive color mixing, it is black and blue and white and gold.

[–]shit-zen-giggles 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

LOL

[–]Krissam 7 points8 points9 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Can you quote me the part that says women are inferior?

[–]Mild111 6 points7 points8 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

10 hours and you still haven't quoted, in context, where he claimed women were inferior.

[–]SirYouAreIncorrect 7 points8 points9 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Google wants the best possible staff it can find

Google wants the most Diverse Staff, and by Diverse they men no Males...

You don't get that with your employees calling half the population inferior.

hmm, I dont believe anyone said that at all. Demore claimed that over the entire population females where more likely to choose a career path that allowed them to work with people, where males choose a career path that allows them to work with things

This is why Nursing, Teaching, etc are primary female dominate, and Tech, Construction, etc are primary male dominate

Nothing in the Memo was anything about capability, or an individual, he was calling into question Google Diversity programs which more or less blamed men for Googles lack of diversity, instead of looking at actual causes for why many many many women choose of their own free will not to enter tech fields, and no it is not because of evil men oppressing them as the SJW Feminists would have you believe

[–]Leinadro 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well bear in mind someone leaked that memo far beyond the group he shares it with.

If he could left alone he would work. But the problem he can't work because everyone else is focusing in the politics

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