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Poll finds 40% of Democrats now say Kavanaugh confirmation process a "national disgrace"

raffu280

October 3, 2018
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https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/oct/3/even-40-of-democrats-now-say-kavanaugh-confirmatio/
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Title Poll finds 40% of Democrats now say Kavanaugh confirmation process a "national disgrace"
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raffu280

Upvotes 33
Comments 63
Date October 3, 2018 2:54 PM UTC
(7 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
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Comments

[–]Pahka1947 13 points14 points15 points 7 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Always best to character test middle aged and older adults based on their behavior as children. I shop lifted in middle school, my big sister beat me up from time to time. Guess neither of us would ever pass muster. So don't like Kavanaugh but troubled by the mob rule and lack of due process.

[+]SirGoodSnail -11 points-10 points-9 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

People can mature, change, and learn from their mistakes in their youth.

Clearly Kavanaugh hasn't done any of those things.

[–]Pahka1947 6 points7 points8 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes I agree. Lets bag him for bad acts that occurred after his 18th birthday. Rumor says it continued into his adult hood.

[+]antilopes -7 points-6 points-5 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

How about when you were both 17?

[–]Pahka1947 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She quit assaulting me when she was 14 and I was 10. Both of us were children by law until our 18th birthdays.

[–]PsychoticSoul 10 points11 points12 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Ughh, this is so awkward.

On one hand, I don't want Kavanaugh to get on the bench, but on the other I don't want it to be merely allegations that bring him down.

But realistically at this point even if its the perjury that technically does it, the cause will be pointed elsewhere.

What a mess. Having kavanaugh and Trump as our public faces does us absolutely no favors.

[–]Lethn 4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What a surprise, the collective screeching of politically motivated activists doesn't match up with the opinion of the actual voter base they claim to represent.

[–]j3utton 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Anyone have access to the full poll?

[–]Electroverted 5 points6 points7 points 7 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, me too, and it's been a cringefest here lately whenever we hitch our wagon to this story.

I get it, this is /r/MensRights, and we're all about due process for accused men. But beyond the Russians here, shit guys, read the fucking room and stop it.

[–]genkernels 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

It matters absolutely not whether Kavanaugh should be on the supreme court, he didn't choose to be nominated and shouldn't be a victim of this insanity.

[+]ndstumme -6 points-5 points-4 points 7 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

He can withdraw his own nomination at any time.

[–]genkernels 4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Can he also choose to have the rape allegations withdrawn if he does that?

[–]ndstumme 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

The rape allegations honestly don't matter. They're beyond the statute of limitations. The problem for most of us men is that even if we do everything right and can prove the rape didn't happen, the cards are stacked against us.

For Kavanaugh, this happened 30 years ago and there's basically no proof left beyond witnesses, so Ford barely has a case. But what does he do? Have a meltdown on the senate floor and perjure himself a number of times.

This isn't a trial, this is a job interview. An interview for a position that relies heavily on the character of the individual. Quite frankly, very few people care about whether he actually raped her or not. It's his response that is the problem. The only reason the potential rape is still being talked about and investigated is because R's refuse to accept that their candidate is unhinged, so the public is trying to provide them with a mountain of evidence.

He can make this all end right now by withdrawing, and he'll be forgotten about in 2 days.

[–]genkernels 4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

He can make this all end right now by withdrawing, and he'll be forgotten about in 2 days.

That's not how this works. Remember that he's still a high-ranking judge, and the allegations have started. He can't be arrested, but he can be removed (which could become possible in the next couple months), and the democrats can't stop what they've started.

If he continues the nomination processes he at least has a defense being made that is more or less equal to the smear campaign and he might see the allegations die out from a highly publicized investigation.

Quite frankly, very few people care about whether he actually raped her or not.

Citation? That's baloney.

[–]ndstumme 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

You still think this is about the rape or he's being smeared. It's not. It's about the way he handles himself in a courtroom. Attorneys have been disbarred for less. If he loses his judgeship, it wont be because of what he might have done 30 years ago. It will be because of the way he acted in this hearing.

[–]genkernels 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Attorneys have been disbarred for less.

Not as witnesses they haven't.

If he loses his judgeship, it wont be because of what he might have done 30 years ago.

Not at all. If it loses his judgeship it will be as a political statement. If it was because of how he handles himself as a judge, he would never have gotten as far as he did.

You still think this is about the rape or he's being smeared. It's not.

It is precisely about that. He didn't choose to be nominated and then he was put through a disgusting process. It isn't that he should be on the supreme court, as a Heritage Foundation pick he was never someone who should be going there. But just because he was never right for the job doesn't justify what has happened.

[–]ndstumme 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The process only turned disgusting because of him. Most nomination hearings may be partisan, but are meant to be a full vetting.

The only reason his is so bad is because he has so much more baggage and he wont withdraw. Its easy to make a lot stick to a big target.

[–]genkernels 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The process only turned disgusting because of him...The only reason his is so bad is because he has so much more baggage and he wont withdraw.

So the only reason that unevidenced rape allegations, and allegations that there is evidence against, became part of the process is because...he attracts them? Bullshit. That un-evidenced allegations are being entertained at such a politically convenient time has nothing to do with the nominee.

But the most convincing reason that this process turning disgusting had nothing to do with the nominee is because this has happened before. And last time this happened, it was not because of the nominee, but because of the position. Have you never heard of Clarence Thomas?

[–]SirGoodSnail 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (64 children) | Copy Link

It is undoubtedly a national disgrace.

Maybe he did it, maybe he didn't. We will likely never know.

Here's what we know for sure... Kavanaugh was a HEAVY party boy in his youth. This is well documented.

He lied under oath about his drinking habits. He lied about the content of his yearbook. He blamed Democrats in an unhinged rant for the centuries.

Lying under oath is a deal breaker. So is being a partisan hack.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points11 points 7 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

And in all that you didn't even mention '4th Amendment train wreck'.

That should've been enough on its own.

But no one involved in these hearings actually gives a crap about that.

My biggest concern in bouncing him is that he was probably the best option on Trump's short list.

[–]genkernels 4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

He lied under oath about his drinking habits. He lied about the content of his yearbook...Lying under oath is a deal breaker.

Sure, but whether or not the guy ought to be confirmed for the supreme court probably was never at issue. I'm a lefty and of the opinion that being on the Heritage Foundation's list is sufficient to believe that.

Accusing someone of rape and seeing if they break under pressure and do something idiotic probably shouldn't be part of the interview process -- and the confirmation should proceed or not proceed regardless of that circus. I might even go so far as to say that anything turned up by that circus shouldn't inform the opinion of congress either unless the professional investigation is done (because that wouldn't be a circus).

[–]SirGoodSnail 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

McConnell straight up stole a seat on the Supreme Court having delayed a vote by over 300 days.

We can wait until the FBI investigates and reports their findings regarding the lies Kavanaugh has been telling, and the validity of the claims against him.

They ought to take as much time as they need. McConnell has set that precedent.

[–]AnotherDAM 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

We can wait until the FBI investigates and reports their findings regarding the lies Kavanaugh has been telling, and the validity of the claims against him.

We???

I wasn't aware that you were a member of the Senate. The FBI is a part of the Executive Branch of government. The Senate is not beholden to the FBI, nor the larger DoJ. The Senate's Job, not your job, not "our" job, but the Senate's Job is to hold hearings and ultimately a confirmation vote.

The hearings, ultimately, are the investigation.

But maybe you need to take remedial civics.

[–]SirGoodSnail 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

What is your point? We have 3 branches of government and a Constitution. There are supposed to be checks and balances. I can talk about procedure too.

Again, what's your point?

[–]AnotherDAM 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

There are supposed to be checks and balances. I can talk about procedure too.

The Executive Branch "investigating" its own nominee is not a check. I mean seriously? I don't think you know how this is supposed to work.

The Senate IS the check on both the Executive and Judicial branches in this case. The President appoints a judge with the advice and consent of the Senate. Not the advice and consent and investigation of his own branch.

[–]SirGoodSnail 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Although a part of the executive branch, the FBI is deliberately non partisan.

[–]AnotherDAM 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

the FBI is deliberately non partisan.

Really? Says who? You?

The FBI is headed by a Director who is appointed by the president and confirmed by the Senate. Decidedly not "non-partisan".

The FBI takes its marching orders from the DoJ. The boss of the DoJ is the Attorney General, a Cabinet level post (go back to your Civics book) which also requires the consent of the Senate. Very, very decidedly not "non-partisan".

[–]SirGoodSnail 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

K.

[–]AnotherDAM 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Didn't answer my question in one of these threads RE being raised in a fatherless environment.

I am really, really curious about your passive-aggressive style.

Are you a dude?

Were you raised in a fatherless home?

I genuinely want to know.

[–]genkernels 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

McConnell straight up stole a seat on the Supreme Court having delayed a vote by over 300 days.

Sure, and that was a nasty abuse of process that was possible due to their dysfunctional bicameral system. The democrats cannot do that. They indeed ought to be able to take as much time as they need, but they can't. The choice to entertain this injustice does not have a greater good behind it.

[–]SirGoodSnail 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's just another example of Republicans acting in bad faith. We've seen it my entire life.

It's just much more visible now than it had been previously.

[–]ShadowBanThisCucks 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (48 children) | Copy Link

link to the lie?

[–]SirGoodSnail -4 points-3 points-2 points 7 years ago (47 children) | Copy Link

easy

[–]ShadowBanThisCucks 6 points7 points8 points 7 years ago (25 children) | Copy Link

So, Vox claims he lied about the defenition of the word "Boof"?

And that some of Kavanaugh's friends knew about the slander against him before it was printed, source: NBC, source: text messages, no you can't see them. NBC article even less clear, when you follow the link.

Well shit, I guess he's done for.

[–]SirGoodSnail 3 points4 points5 points 7 years ago (24 children) | Copy Link

Ralphing at the beach refrences food poisoning? Come on, bro. That's not even remotely believable. It's a lie.

He lied about when he learned about the allegations.

He mischaracterized his past my telling lies. He lied to Congress and the American people. There's no doubt about it.

[–]ShadowBanThisCucks 4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (23 children) | Copy Link

...What else would ralphing mean?

and vox says that nbc says that someone kavanaugh knows says that he lied about when he found out about what his accusers said.

ooooh, let me get my pitchfork!

[–]antilopes 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

In the hols they would take a carload of beer to the beach and spend the week drinking, ralphing, screwing and drinking.

Obviously all this screwing didn't involve girls because what sort of girl would be interested in a double letterman (basketball & foopball) who is top of his class and best buds with Mark Judge who obviously would not know where to get drugs of any kind. Girls hate drugs especially when not screwing so Mark would be a good guy to be around.

Kav was a virgin until 22 or 23 remember. I don't know if it was his wife who broke the factory seal on his dick but Renate said they didn't kiss so that's that.

Fact check:
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/28/us/politics/brett-kavanaugh-fact-check.html

[–]ShadowBanThisCucks 8 points9 points10 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Does it not bother you that the goal posts have moved from "he molested me" to "he drank on the beach"?

[–]SirGoodSnail 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The lies under oath are what matter.

[–]antilopes -1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

There are multiple sets of goal posts. The sexual molestation posts have not moved. The "not misleading and outright lying under oath" posts appear to be set way too high for Kav now.
That is without revisiting his lies about his knowledge and involvement in stuff for the torture program under Alberto Gonalez and his knowledge of and lies about Kosinski's chronic sexual harassment.

Kav's behavior in the hearings have horrified people who know what an actual SC justice acts like. A thousand law professors have already signed a petition saying Kav simply does not have the judicial temperament and non-partisan attitude to be capable of doing the job.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/10/03/opinion/kavanaugh-law-professors-letter.html

[–]ShadowBanThisCucks 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

He's on board with torturing muslim terrorists *and* he made a thousand lawyers ree their pants?

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Stop! Please! I'm already behind him! I can't get any more behind him than I already am!

[–]SirGoodSnail 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (17 children) | Copy Link

... puking due to alcohol. In context it's 100% an alcohol reference, not food poisoning. You're not seriously contesting that, right?

And yes, perjury is a big deal. American Patriots care.

[–]ShadowBanThisCucks 4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago* (9 children) | Copy Link

ralphing means puking, yes. I have never heard it used more specifically than that.

"American Patriots care."

Sure, but why do you care?

[–]SirGoodSnail -2 points-1 points0 points 7 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

... so he lied under oath, and you don't care. Talking with you is a waste of time. That's all.

Good day.

[–]ShadowBanThisCucks 3 points4 points5 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

YOU think he lied.

You linked to the "evidence" and its shit.

you're a fucking cuck. go crawl back to /r/politics

[–]AnotherDAM 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Good thing you aren't under oath ... YOU lied when you said you had proof.

[–]AnotherDAM -1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

American Patriots care.

So how about you leave it to the American Patriots and go back to whatever third world country you originally fled from?

Seriously, "ralphing" could be induced by alcohol consumption, or food poisoning, or gasp possibly a lowered alcohol tolerance resulting from food poisoning.

Fuck all ... the shit I ate as a teenager absolutely caused me to "ralph" with, and without, the assistance of alcohol. Clearly you have no concept of the meaning of "reasonable doubt". Send me your contact info and I will pay for you to take that remedial civics class you so desperately need.

[–]SirGoodSnail 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link

So what we have an example of here, according to you, is a bunch of Bros reminiscing about partying their asses off at the beach and then "ralphing" from eating too many tacos.

Man, you're gullible.

[–]AnotherDAM 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

according to you ...

Would I be correct in guessing that you were raised in a fatherless household? Only really feminized men do this thing of directly attributing their false argument to the other person.

I never said any such thing. I have no concrete idea of what this journal represents, neither do you. We are decades removed and a lifetime of experience. That you insist on projecting your BS onto BK is much more telling about you than it is about him.

[–]antilopes 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Ralphing is a single word out of what, half a dozen words associated with drinking and fucking that he gave serially implausible definitions for? Yes of course ralphing at the beach, taken alone, could be food poisoning.

On its own, Devils Triangle could be a private name for a drinking game unknown to the rest of the class, to whom it means MMF threesome.

On its own boofing could refer to farting not anal sex, though that isn't what the rest of the class said and it makes no sense in the sentences written by both boys.

On its own, skis could mean whatever Kav said instead of the universally known brewskis.

And so on for however many words there were.
Alumnius could refer to a date or kiss, 151 is not a brand of 151 proof spirit, Super Q is not the date rape drug Quaalude.
I don't know how many words there were.

Even if you give each instance a 50% chance of being true, which is overly generous for most of them, 7! is one chance in 5040.

I'm not sure if 151 and Super Q came from Kav, maybe that was Swetnick talking about the intricacies of punch-spiking. Let's imagine she was lying about those two things and that they would not even know those words. That is still five redefined words off the top of my head.

5! is 120. The "beyond all reasonable doubt" standard of proof is not usually quantified but I have seen it given as 2% a few times. 1/120 is under 1%, beyond even that standard of proof. But this is madness, we are not in a criminal trial here! We are concerned with trustworthiness not absolutely undeniable guilt. Yet he fails even at the level of undeniable guilt, of a consistent pattern of lying under oath about boozing and fucking terminology, with the obvious intention of supporting his previous misleading statements about his severe boozing and fucking habits.

[–]Pontius23 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (20 children) | Copy Link

This is a horrible source. For instance, they suggest BK is lying about his definition of terms based on Urban Dictionary's definitions. It's almost as if the writer is unaware that the internet for all practical purposes did not exist in 1980's, much less Urban Dictionary or that slang terms were much more regional and personal before we had the Internet to create a database of such terms.

And that's before we even address Vox's extreme political bias. You've got to be clueless to rely on this trash.

[–]SirGoodSnail 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (19 children) | Copy Link

Do you think "ralphing" is a reference to puking from food poisoning, or is it a reference to vomiting from alcohol?

Here's another source if you think VOX isn't legit, which it is.

[–]Pontius23 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago* (18 children) | Copy Link

Ralphing is just puking in my experience.

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Regardless, I honestly couldn't care less if BK "ralphed" from alcohol when he was in college. All this pearl-clutching feux outrage is disgusting. Obama was doing fucking cocaine and no one cared. Current Democrat darling Beto O'Rourke had a DWI where he almost killed people and tried to flee the scene when he was 26 years old and Democrats and Republicans alike were willing to forgive him for that.

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Now, all the sudden a guy drinking in college is ooouuuuuutraaaageous. Gimme a break. It's so disingenuous it makes me want to ralph.

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For the first time in my life, I'm voting straight ticket this year. Democrats disgust me.

[–]SirGoodSnail 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (17 children) | Copy Link

Puking from drinking isn't the issue. I've done that dozens of times.

LYING under oath is the issue.

He's commiting perjury under oath. That's also throws his other testimony into question.

Nobody gives a shit about his drinking. It's the LYING that's the issue.

[–]Pontius23 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link

He didn't lie. He acknowledged that he sometimes drank too much. I would agree that he downplayed it, but that's not lying. I would have too if I were in his place. You know who lied? The bitch who's falsely accusing a good person of rape. How is that not concerning? No one on the Left cares. It's appalling.

P.S. Beto O'Rourke lied about his fleeing from the accident, but I bet you're not getting your panties in a bunch over that.

[–]SirGoodSnail 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link

He shouted angrily at US senators who were respectfully asking him legitimate questions. He angrily questioned a senators about if she had a drinking problem when she questioned his drinking habits. He acted like a petulant child, and a guilty one at that.

You can't "downplay" anything at this type of hearing. You tell the truth, regardless of how it makes you look. If life was full of shitshows, that's exactly what one must say.

[–]Pontius23 -1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago* (14 children) | Copy Link

Downplaying isn't lying, dude. No matter how much you wish it so. On the contrary, it's normal for someone to downplay their flaws.

Shouting? That's not what I watched. Don't tell me you're exaggerating his temperament? According to your own definition of lying, you're a liar.

And you act like it's wrong to be upset about people accusing you of being a serial rapist and Senators engaging in conduct that endangers the future of this country. No doubt you would attack him if he was calm about it as well. The bias is absurd. It amazes me how un-self-aware you people are.

[–]killcat 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The problem is the Republicans can't NOT vote him in now, it would show that these tactics work.

[–]GrantNexus -1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

The actual disgrace was McConnell and Merrick Garland.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Garland was never slandered. McConnell had a mandate to stop the Obama agenda and he did. He did exactly what the voters in 2014 wanted him to do and he did it without destroying Garland.

[–]Pontius23 -1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Are you shitting me. No one came remotely close to a character assassination attempt on Garland. All they did was refuse to vote on him. Maybe Obama shouldn't have tried to put a leftist on the bench when Republicans controlled Congress.

[–]thrway_1000 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

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[–]redavid -2 points-1 points0 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm a liberal and the process has been a disgrace, but I'd guess my use of the word disgrace would be for a different reason than a typical conservaitve's...

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