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You Can Give a Boy a Doll, but You Can't Make Him Play With It: The logistical and ethical problems with trying to make toys gender-neutral

TerriChris

August 1, 2018
42 upvotes
/r/MensRights
https://www.theatlantic.com/sexes/archive/2012/12/you-can-give-a-boy-a-doll-but-you-cant-make-him-play-with-it/265977/
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Title You Can Give a Boy a Doll, but You Can't Make Him Play With It: The logistical and ethical problems with trying to make toys gender-neutral
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TerriChris

Upvotes 42
Comments 23
Date August 1, 2018 11:03 PM UTC
(7 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/93tzom/you_can_give_a_boy_a_doll_but_you_cant_make_him/
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/you-can-give-a-boy-a-doll-but-you-cant-make-him.1185961
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Comments

[–]HeForeverBleeds 15 points16 points17 points 7 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

I don't understand this obsession with trying to make boys play with certain toys or be interested in certain things in the first place. There's so much unnecessary overcomplicating the matter. Forget about what's "average for boys" or what's "gender neutral" and just let him pick out whatever toys or hobbies he's interested in

[–]killcat 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Because girls are good and the source of all light, and boys are evil and the source of all evil ,thus to defeat evil we need to turn boys into girls.

[–]TheMythof_Feminism -2 points-1 points0 points 7 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

I don't understand this obsession with trying to make boys play with certain toys or be interested in certain things in the first place.

It is part of a communist notion adopted from John Locke called "Tabula rasa" or "blank slate". It has been refuted hundreds, if not thousands of times but commies never learn.

Anyway it argues that humans are born as complete "blank slates" and all their thoughts/behavior derive exclusively from "socialization". According to this, there is no such thing as race or sex differences, someone just SAID there are differences and you "internalized it".

"Men and women are completely the same", "all races are completely the same", "it's all a social construct", these are some of the bullshit tenets promoted by tabula rasa loonies.

That's why they insist. They believe that they can and should indoctrinate children in the manner described..... in my opinion, tabula rasa/communism are the biggest threats to humanity in modernity and a huge source of the problems that afflict men.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

"It's them damn dirty commies, i tells yas! It's always them damn dirty commies!" LOL! You sound like Rob Reiner going on about Trump conspiring with Russia to steal the election!

[–]TheMythof_Feminism -1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

Well that was a bunch of nothing /u/ThePigmanAgain .

If your take on what I stated there was "It's them damn dirty commies" , you are deranged and should re-evaluate the way you look at things.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

It is part of a communist notion

but commies never learn.

in my opinion, tabula rasa/communism are the biggest threats to humanity in modernity and a huge source of the problems that afflict men.

LOL! For someone who isn't blaming the commies you sure do blame them a lot!

[–]noriann 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

That dude is a legitimate quack. He's literally praising fascism on another thread.

It's difficult to discern whether he's a feminist false flag or just another confused young man who has listened to too much Rush Limbaugh/Milton Friedman. But he clearly has issues.

[–]JestyerAverageJoe 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Going with troll.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

His irrationality seems rather genuine, given that it seems to have no self-serving purpose. Probably just an actual nutjob.

[–]TheMythof_Feminism 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

"blame them a lot"....? so there is an aspect of John Locke's work that communists picked up and use regularly.

I am talking about how they use it frequently and are the primary, even near-sole propagandists of the notion in question.... and in your mind this translates to "YOU BLAME THE COMMUNISTS A LOT", given that in this case it is correct to do so, your argument appears to hold no merit.

You're basically a waste of time, gg.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

LOL! You blamed the commies, claimed you didn't blame the commies, and are now yet again blaming the commies! LOL!

[–]TheMythof_Feminism 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

claimed you didn't blame the commies,

I don't remember ever making a statement to that extent.

I have been firm and consistent in ascribing the notion of tabula rasa to communists and their ilk. You're a troll, deranged or both.

gg.

[–]noriann 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Don't look now, but THERE'S A COMMUNIST UNDER YOUR BED. DUCK AND COVER.

[–]Sasha_ 8 points9 points10 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

My boys spend hours customizing the figures in their video games. Which I suppose are their versions of dolls.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Let the kids play with what they want to play with. Don't make them do it, don't stop them from doing it. Argument over.

[–]Throwaway_Old_Guy 6 points7 points8 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

How many boys have played with G.I.Joe versus girls with Ken and Barbie.

They're all "dolls" but are used in different styles of play.

Joe is a Soldier that uses critical thinking and strategy to defeat "The Enemy" and save the world.

Barbie goes on dates with Ken, shops and spends time driving around in fancy vehicles, or at her mansion entertaining her girlfriends.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I think it is more fair to say that Barbie dolls promote healthy collaborative behavior, and GI Joe promotes healthy, competitive behaviou.

[–]Throwaway_Old_Guy 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Maybe.

[–]jeff_the_nurse 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I agree. I would have loved to have been able to play with dolls openly as a boy, but I wouldn't force another boy to play with them.

[–]Throwaway_Old_Guy 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I was probably less than 10 when it happened, but as a joke one Christmas, I was given a Raggedy-Ann and my younger Brother received a Barbie.

I was mortified.

[–]beelzebubs_avocado 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

We had them. They were just called "action figures".

[–]nisutapasion 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Toys manufacturer tryied very hard to develop gender neutral toys they could sell to boys and girls. Didn't work. And the where motivated by the most powerful force of our society, PROFIT.

[–]TheMythof_Feminism 5 points6 points7 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Geez, I hate to be "that guy" again, but this is more evidence that the tabula rasa hypothesis that leftists so heavily rely on is utter bullshit.

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