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As much as I want to donate to the Salvation Army this Christmas, it's things like this that put me off.

DepressiveVortex

December 6, 2019
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Title As much as I want to donate to the Salvation Army this Christmas, it's things like this that put me off.
Author

DepressiveVortex

Upvotes 283
Comments 56
Date December 6, 2019 7:14 AM UTC
(6 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/e6vc7z/as_much_as_i_want_to_donate_to_the_salvation_army/
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Comments

[–]goodmod 56 points57 points58 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Tell them.

[–]DepressiveVortex[S] 54 points55 points56 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh I will be. Their web address and phone number are both listed on the letter they send out annually, and a simple Google search should bring it up for anyone who hasn't received one yet.

[–]MarsNirgal 28 points29 points30 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

so we can give it to a homeless or lonely person this Christmas.

a safe space for women and children

Considering the percentage of men in homeless people... they're missing something here.

[–]Yaspis 4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Also the percentage of men in lonely people

[–][deleted] 17 points18 points19 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

My mom keeps asking if I want to donate to some random homeless shelter β€œfor women who had to leave an abusive boyfriend/husband”

but nobody cares about men who had to leave an abusive girlfriend/wife

[–][deleted] 65 points66 points67 points 6 years ago* (9 children) | Copy Link

Why would you donate to a church that has a CEO?

[–]DepressiveVortex[S] 20 points21 points22 points 6 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

At least help is getting out there to the homeless, though there may be charities you would rather support.

Who do you recommend and why would you say they are better?

[–][deleted] 36 points37 points38 points 6 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

In my opinion, YourWholeBaby or the BloodstainedMen.

I know the founder of Bloodstained Men personally and he has completely dedicated his life to protecting boys from genital mutilation. Those two are among the very few charities I trust enough to donate my own money to.

[–]DepressiveVortex[S] 8 points9 points10 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Certainly appreciate why those are worthwhile causes to support and donate to, but I did mean specifically homeless charities.

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points14 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Habitat for Humanity

[–]Regs2 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They sound good in theory, but the last thing someone would want is people who aren't in construction building their house. I got voluntold to do Habitat for Humanity at my job even though I never owned a house, never did construction, and am pretty worthless when it comes to home maintenance. The whole time I felt completely over my head. They were trying to show me how to do things but I just kept fucking it up because I've never done construction and was the first time I've used a table saw. nail gun, etc, etc. The whole thing was ridiculous like if a bunch of volunteers walked into my IT department to "help".

[–]closetedapostate 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Out of curiosity, what’s your opinion on Foregen? Their mission may not be to directly protect boys from ever having their genitals mutilated in the first place, but they do want to advance in the field of regenerative science to give circumcised men a chance to get back what was stolen from them.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I'll have an opinion when it actually exists.

However, keep in mind that if/when it becomes a real product, it will be the first 3d-printed replacement organ on earth. What they're doing is still science fiction at the moment.

Also, I doubt that it will accurately replicate all the structures found in the foreskin either, such as the dartos muscle etc...

The final product, when it's available in a decade or two, will likely be very similar to what you'd get with foreskin restoration. For some people who aren't bothered much by their circumcision, this is great. I'm sure there's a lot of men who would like a quick, expensive treatment for circumcision, and don't care too much when it comes out.

But if waiting bothers you, then waiting on foregen is probably a bad idea.

[–]closetedapostate 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

While I respect your response, I would still be bothered if your doubts turn out true. My hope for Foregen was that it could reverse all the damage done. If it doesn’t work for all the structures as you mentioned, then there’s no point in supporting it if it wouldn’t be any different from restoring, which also only just stretches the remaining skin to cover the glans and doesn’t restore structures like the frenulum and dartos muscle as you pointed out.

[–]Paul__________ 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

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[–][deleted] 22 points23 points24 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Local Salvation Army got closed down due to dishonesty. I wouldn’t give them anything regardless. They help to destroy a kids life’s by taking sides, where I am these people are duty bound to report any allegations to police who then notify child services and any other applicable services. You would not know how underhanded these people are unless you have been through it. Completely sexist and often they are harbouring the real abusers and set out a path where the children are stuck with an abusive mother.

[–]SirYouAreIncorrect 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

where I am these people are duty bound to report any allegations to police who then notify child services and any other applicable services.

More likely Legally bound, many states and nations if you do public services like Shelters you become a Mandatory reporter, meaning you are required by law to report allegations to the police and/or other government agencies

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What people don’t realise is they slowly but surly inform on themselves. Letting DV occur is just as bad as being the perpetrator and although the publicity is about men being the perpetrators from a public miss information perspective the people on the inside don’t always believe it.

[–]Weaselur10 points 6 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

It's funny how once men reach "adulthood" they suddenly lose their ability to experience injustice, and women of all ages are incapable of being anything but a victim.

[–]GrumpyGayGuy 6 points7 points8 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You are absolutely right. Once we reach our late teens we magically become evil malicious villains whose only goal is to destroy society while women are the poor victims locked in the tower.

[–]Wisemanner 10 points11 points12 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I've emailed them.

[–]GrumpyGayGuy 5 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Unfortunately, the Salvation Army is the only place around me that I can donate my old clothes to that wont just put them on a shelf and resell them. I am extremely morally opposed to giving my clothes to Goodwill because I dont like the idea of someone making free money off of my stuff. That just sounds crooked and criminal.

At least the Salvation Army would give my clothes to people who need them. I also have a few stuffed toys that I want to donate. I am also morally opposed to groups who only help women such as Branches. Women get so much free stuff in this day and age, I dont want my clothes to be yet another thing they just get handed to them.

[–]Gozie5 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I've said this before and I'll say it again, in Western societies women are treated as and given similar privileges to children.

[–]Gozie5 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Suicide rates are higher for homeless man... So let's donate to homeless women..

[–]J4CKJ4W 11 points12 points13 points 6 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Fuck the Salvation Army. They're homophobic, transphobic bigots.

[–]functionalsociopathy 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I've heard this from a number of people but I don't know enough about the Salvation Army to know what their discriminatory practices are.

[–]SirYouAreIncorrect 4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

They have none, they do not refuse services on the basis of sexual activities, in fact they will not even ask about it

However if you ask them about it they will tell you they believe Homosexuality to be a sin, as do many Christians.

Thus they are labeled as homophobic, and transphobic simply because they do not accept that lifestyle to be moral or healthy.

See society today we have moved beyond tolerance, to requiring full acceptance of everyone life styles, no longer can you say "Well your an adult, I personally do not think that is a good choice but you are free to do it"

No Today you must proclaim "That is wonderful, I fully validate and accept all of your life choices as better than my own"

[–]functionalsociopathy 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I figured it was just the usual leftist dogma. I still can't find any evidence that these claims are based on anything other than gossip and rumors, and you're the only one who even responded so it seems that my initial assessment was correct.

[–]GrumpyGayGuy 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The transphobia only makes me want to donate to them even more XD.

[–]xNOM 5 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

LOL homophobic, transphobic bigots can't help people? Good luck finding a charity that fits your 10 identity politics demands.

[–]EvilLothar 4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Of course not. Just like devout Christians can't make tasty chicken sandwiches....

[–]JaggedGreen88 -1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Thank you.

[–]Istalriblaka -1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Not to mention the extensive history they have of actively discriminating against the LGBT+ community in ways that are blatantly unchristian and give the rest of us a bad name.

[–]SirYouAreIncorrect 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Citation please

[–]Istalriblaka -1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Their Wikipedia page has a smattering of examples, all cited

[–]SirYouAreIncorrect 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

None of those are what I would consider Discriminatory against anyone

Most of them are them opposing laws that puts mandates on their business, everyone that enjoys liberty should oppose those mandates. That is not discriminatory on its own

Then there is a statement about a single employee making an anti-gay statement, surely you can not paint the entire organization over the action of 1 individual

Then there is the classic false narrative around the tragic death of Jennifer Gale, that has been proven to have nothing to do with the Salvation Army

then they removed their support for a program that discriminated against non-lgbt kids, the program only supported anti-bullying when the bullying was targeted to LGBT children. Funny I think we should stop bullying in general, Shame on them for standing up for equality right...

So I ask again., Show me where in practice the Salvation army Discriminates Against LGBT people when offering their services to the public like you claim

[–]Istalriblaka -2 points-1 points0 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Most of them are them opposing laws that puts mandates on their business

There were laws that protected the domestic partners of gay employees, laws mandating they don't discriminate against the LGBT community with tax-funded money, more laws protecting domestic partners... oh, and this gem.

In 1986, The Salvation Army campaigned throughout New Zealand against the Homosexual Law Reform Act 1986, which decriminalized homosexuality.

Yeah, an organization that has supported locking up yhe gays totally doesn't have a history of homophobia.

If that weren't bad enough, consider that in the Seattle and New York cases they threatened to stop operations in those cities if they didn't get exceptions to laws protecting gay rights. They decided they would rather leave those in need high and dry than comply with legislature granting protections to their gay employees.

In any case, like I said, that's just some exmalles. You have an internet-connected device, you can do your own googling like a big boy.

[–]SirYouAreIncorrect 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

I have, I just have a feeling we are going to disagree widely on the proper role of government, and what "rights" are.

As the ability to force an employer to provide you or your spouse something is not a "right" imo, it is a voluntary benefit, part of a compensation package which you agree to when you accept employment, if an employer does not have a compensation package you like you should seek a different employer not force the government to make them give you what you want

Yeah, an organization that has supported locking up yhe gays totally doesn't have a history of homophobia.

Except that was not at all their position at all, they did not support the existing law, however they also not support the proposed changes to the law

https://www.salvationarmy.org.nz/sites/default/files/uploads/TSAand1985HomosexualReformBillNZ.pdf

[–]Mythandros 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Write them back and explain why you cannot support their sexist position.

[–]gazza1711 -2 points-1 points0 points 6 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

I ignore them when they are rattling Collection tins as they are anti gay but so hypocritical because they would accept my homosexual money if I offered it 😑

[–]xNOM 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Well let's put it this way. Do you think they would refuse to use your money to help a homeless homosexual?

[–]gazza1711 -2 points-1 points0 points 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Probably they would if they knew

[–]xNOM 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

? I'm not Christian but as I understand it, they consider it a sin. Just like theft or lying. There wouldn't be very many people left to help, if you only helped nonsinners.

I don't think they would ask if you were a homo or not. The worst thing that could possibly happen is that they'd give you some sermon. If I were homeless and starving I probably wouldn't care.

[–]gazza1711 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Yea that’s why I said if they knew or found out

[–]xNOM 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Seems like a perfect place for "don't ask, don't tell."

[–]gazza1711 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yea so no help for men and especially homosexual men

[–]Regs2 -3 points-2 points-1 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I wouldn't put it past them.

[–]chadwickofwv -1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You should never donate to the salvation army.

[–]OscarAlexHasEntered -1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Don’t. They pocket a lot of the money, steal from the people they claim to help, and use every excuse possible to not help someone.

[–]jeff_the_nurse -2 points-1 points0 points 6 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Let’s also not forget that they literally let a trans man freeze to death outside.

[–]DepressiveVortex[S] 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Seriously? As a homeless charity that's pretty severe, do you have a source?

[–]jeff_the_nurse -2 points-1 points0 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

My bad, it was actually a trans woman. But still.

https://medium.com/james-finn/please-dont-support-the-salvation-army-9f1408c333ff

[–]SirYouAreIncorrect 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

/u/DepressiveVortex do not believe the lies, this story is completelyy false, First off Jennifer Gale was found unresponsive outside a Church, not a Salvation Army shelter. The news surrounding the case quotes a City Council person fasley attributing her death to policies at 2 shelters in the area, statements this person later reacted as they were proven to be false

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jennifer_Gale#Death

Second this rest of the medium posts is more about Standard Church doctrine and history, not about the Salvation army

it is a Classic Guilt by association, because the Salvation Army is closely tied to the Christian Church, this person juxtaposes the Church for the Salvation Army even though the Salvation Army is separate from the Christian Church in governance and practice

[–]DepressiveVortex[S] 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That's certainly the way it appears as I noted the link in the medium article doesn't go to any kind of news site I recognised, was just reading through the Wikipedia and came back to your comment! Thank you :)

[–]xNOM 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

LOL we let men freeze to death outside all the time. How is this any different. You're mad because some dude wasn't allowed to jump aboard the gynocentrism gravy train? The whole argument can be avoided by providing more homeless shelters for men.

[–]gazza1711 -2 points-1 points0 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They would be quite happy for homosexuality to be illegal again and be the kind of organisation to refuse service to homos using religious freedom laws if was legal

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