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Senator Kennedy introduces bill to ensure due process for college students in school proceedings

Heavy_Grand2526

March 30, 2023
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https://www.lobservateur.com/2023/03/29/kennedy-introduces-bill-to-ensure-due-process-for-college-students-in-school-proceedings/
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Title Senator Kennedy introduces bill to ensure due process for college students in school proceedings
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Heavy_Grand2526

Upvotes 119
Comments 17
Date March 30, 2023 1:13 AM UTC
(3 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/1266y9t/senator_kennedy_introduces_bill_to_ensure_due/
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Comments

[–]63daddy 20 points21 points22 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I like that it would require discovery and a right to face one’s accuser. I see no mention regarding standard of guilt however which needs changing.

The best way for students to have due process in my opinion is to have schools stop adjudicating cases of sexual assault and leave such alleged crimes to our criminal justice system. Colleges should educate, not adjudicate.

[–]TheNerdWonder 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Problem is, our criminal justice system is just as bad at this as Title IX is. The only decent improvement that can come after that is if we see harsher sentencing for women, that leads to more of them going to jail for fairly long durations for making false accusations. That and fines and greater openings for very rewarding civil lawsuits against false accusers and the state that supported them.

[–]PM_ME_LUDACRIS_PIX 14 points15 points16 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Using a throwaway account for this. But I’m a college student who is in the middle of a title IX case where I’m being falsely accused of rape and emotional abuse during a nearly 2 year long relationship. I broke up with her around 8 months ago and she’s decided to bring these charges now.

She has zero evidence other than her testimony, while I have multiple signed statements from witnesses the night of the alleged rape that make clear that I was actually the one pressured into a sexual situation by her that night, as well as texts that prove she asked for sex and constantly wanted to spend time with me multiple times for months and months after the alleged rape.

It’s a mess man. The investigation is an option for me where I can bring my evidence forward but otherwise, if I do the informal resolution, we have to negotiate back and forth on this dumbass list of her terms like “he can’t be in the vicinity of my dorm building” or “he can’t be in music ensembles anymore” even though im a music major lmao. It’s way easier to do the latter though, and I don’t wanna have to deal with this shit any longer.

Sure feels like I’m guilty till proven innocent, and I have had my name constantly slandered since we broke up across our small campus with false rumours. Meanwhile I have hardly said a word about the abusive way in which I myself was treated other than to one or two very close friends and my family, which is why I’m going to try and file a counter title IX case.

[–]OldEgalitarianMRA 9 points10 points11 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

This is administrative abuse, a form of emotional abuse. Usually you have to wait until divorce to be falsely accused and made to have a restraining order due to false allegations.

Now it happens on college campuses where the snow flakes don't want to have to see anyone they don't want to and they hold you degree, worth hundreds of thousands in student loans, hostage.

Don't date women on campus guys.

[–]ERiC_693 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Education is now a femald institution. The obama type laws in US and similar in europe are disgraceful. Schools even havd girl only classes where even minorty boys are blocked from class. Feminism loves thd taste of it all. The idea you can just accuse someone of something and be believed is crazy, especially based on which "group" the accuser/acused is from

[–]PM_ME_LUDACRIS_PIX 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The good thing is, I (should) have the same power to file a case against her with my own conditions, even though I’m against playing these dumbass games in the first place. The RD of my dorm is helping me file a counter claim and he believes I have a strong case that she is filing a false report.

Frankly I’m just against title IX as a whole. Universities shouldn’t get to play judge jury and executioner with simply “a preponderance of evidence”. If I’m a rapist, then bring a case to the criminal court. I deserve multiple years in jail if that’s the case. But she knows it would immediately get thrown out in a real case because of literally zero evidence and tons of statements from my own witnesses and incriminating texts, so she’s going through the institution. The institution only needs to be 51% on her side for them to punish me. It’s idiotic.

Again, I never coerced her verbally or non verbally to do ANYTHING sexually, and we continued to date for nearly a YEAR after the alleged “rape” occurred, with tons of texts from her since then trying to initiate sexual activity.

She even says in her own statement that I “talked her into” having sex (it was the opposite, she pressured me into being in a hotel with her) then a page later still accuses that of being rape. Clown world stuff.

But yeah, overall, the only way to know for certain that you avoid this shit 100 percent is not dating on campus. It’s funny cause the sexual assault she’s claiming didn’t even happen on campus though, which I thought had to happen for it to be the school’s responsibility.

[–]ThirdTurnip 26 points27 points28 points 3 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

This article gives the false impression that the current mess was made by Trump.

The Biden administration is working to reverse policies that were established under the last administration and have been improving due process protections at colleges and universities.

It's an Obama baby.

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/22/obama-era-school-sexual-assault-policy-rescinded-243016

My understanding is that Trump began trying to fix it but many US colleges ignored his directives and continued operating in accordance with the Obama standards, even though several court cases had effectively ruled them unlawful.

[–]Title_IX_For_All 15 points16 points17 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

In 2017, under Trump/Secretary of Education Betsy Devos, the Dept. of Ed rescinded the 2011 Obama-era "guidance" and later issued regulations that took effect in August 2020 granting accused students greater due process protections.

Starting around 2019, lawsuits by accused students began to drop. By 2022, they dropped by nearly 75% from their 2017/2018 highs. No doubt COVID played some part, but in reality lawsuits began declining much sooner.

The Biden administration has started a new rulemaking process that cuts into the due process protections created under the Trump administration. The Biden admin is targeting May for a release of the final rule. If it is released in May, the new regulations will likely become effective in August of this year, in time for the fall semester.

So far in 2023, lawsuits are being filed at a greater rate than they were last year.

[–]denyjunctionfunction 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

At least the Biden one is going through the proper process (even if forced by the Trump’s actions and ignore half the comments). Obama’s directive should never had been allowed.

[–]Title_IX_For_All 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

There is some concern over how faithful they are to the process. Around 200,000 comments by the public on the new Title IX regulations were deleted and removed from public view by the Department of Education due to a "clerical error."

CLERICAL ERROR IN TITLE IX COMMENT COUNT: Wondering why the number of comments on the Biden administration’s Title IX rule dropped from 349,177 comments on Tuesday? The department found a clerical error with a comment unrelated to the proposed regulation that boosted it by about 200,000 comments.

They will probably adhere mostly to the process. But I think they will cut corners on how they address the comments when they release the final rule.

[–]shit-zen-giggles 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I think you're misinterpreting the (indeed somewhat poorly worded) quote:

The Biden administration is working to reverse policies that "were established under the last administration and have been improving due process protections at colleges and universities."

note the quotes, I placed.

The part after the 'and' is supposed to refer to the 'policies of the last administration'.

[–]gaygentlemane 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

One of the more frustrating things about Democrats is how beholden they are to the woke crowd on certain issues when, in broad terms, their policies are overwhelmingly superior to the Republicans' and better for the vast majority of people. And then they do shit like this that turns away even people inclined to support them. Due process should be a total no-brainer.

[–]OldEgalitarianMRA 13 points14 points15 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It is excellent news to hear legislators paying attention to the needs of men and boys on campus. Trump had a good start but what we need is legislation to protect due process for all college students.

[–]Frosty-Gate-8094 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They are paying attention because universities have been paying hefty compensations for students who have been falsely punished in the past...

Nearly 50% decisions of these Kangaroo courts are reversed when challenged in actual courts..

It's obviously a big drain on the exchequer. And what's worse is that, the money goes to MEN.

Now, the latter, is definitely a good enough reason to change the rules, isn't it?

[–]better-call-mik3 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The fact that there needs to be legislation on this is bad enough.

[–]YetAnotherCommenter 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Senator Kennedy is doing the right thing here. Good for him. I probably disagree with him on some other issues, but on this one he's absolutely in the right.

[–]TheNerdWonder 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

About the only good thing this guy has done.

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