"What if men aren’t lonely in defiance of their status as oppressors – what if they’re lonely because of that status?" -Joseph Earp

Present_League9106 · 2023-06-13T23:43:07+00:00

> Call it the loneliness of the oppressor. It comes from existing in a world that wants you to win – that is set up for you, and slavishly caters to your desires, but does not make you feel good. It is the byproduct of living in a society where, as a man, you systematically get paid more, and entertained more, and your words carry more weight, but where the days still feel empty, pained and pointless.

What kind of fucking world does this guy live in? Let's go down the list: Men are not systematically paid more. These people need to seriously understand how numbers work. Need I go into why the Pay Gap is nonsense as presented (especially by him, it's getting more lazy)?

How are we entertained more? Is this a lazy attempt at referencing the male gaze? What TV doesn't use feminist talking points? What news organization doesn't favor feminist talking points? What major social media platform doesn't cater to feminist talking points? What popular music isn't written for a woman's ear? Are we suggesting that sports are exclusively a man's thing? Personally, I hate sports.

How do our words carry more weight? I've heard we're listened to in the office more, but I've never worked in an office so I've never been able to verify (nor do I benefit from it). Once again, when does the news, social media, or most other forms of entertainment take my vantage seriously? How do my words carry more weight when they've fallen on deaf ears since I was a child.

Then...

> What we do with the existence of that loneliness is a question in and of itself. It need not make us sympathetic to the oppressor in a way that detracts our attention from the effects of the oppression. This is not the sob story that some use to dismiss the problems of patriarchy. Male loneliness needs no excuse. It could be enough to explain.

This is why feminism looks like a cult to me. It's full of self-flagellation and it requires you to believe in this original sin story called Patriarchy.

In the end, he not only tells us that he's still lonely, he spent the whole time telling us there is nothing that could or should be done to remedy it. I have an answer this idiot is too brainwashed to accept: stop demonizing men. Or at the very least, grow a spine and stop passively accepting that demonization as if you deserve it for simply being born.

g1455ofwater · 2023-06-14T01:05:49+00:00

Men are coming on this subreddit and talking about how they feel and being treated with hostility by those saying men should be more open and talk about their feelings.

Damned if you do and damned if you don't if you're a man in need of help.

ConestogaCreek · 2023-06-14T02:21:31+00:00

Blaming the victim. What else is new?

BalloonPilotDude · 2023-06-14T04:13:43+00:00

Another liberal writer being a sensitive liberal writer.

I don’t pretend the conservative side has nearly all of it right but at least they are not constantly pontificating that men ‘just aren’t trying hard enough’ at every turn no matter how much progress, change and glitter-sprinkled, soy milk, no-whip, iced lattes are drunk.

Aspiengineer · 2023-06-14T06:57:04+00:00

"the way the saddest child on the playground has to invent games to keep themselves occupied."

No, Mr Earp, those kid were not lonely because they were "sad", but because you and other pricks bullied them. And you are still doing the same shit while thinking of yourself as a good person.

PlzSendDunes · 2023-06-13T23:11:46+00:00

Societies are built by men and maintained by men. This whole smearing and accusations of men leads to emasculation of men and slow disintegration of society.

This won't go nice. And responsible people for constant attacks on men and blaming men won't take accountability, ensuring that same nonsense will repeat in the future.

Hornydaddy696 · 2023-06-14T05:11:07+00:00

I'm lonely, but I'm well aware that the world is becoming increasingly dangerous

So I choose my battles. One thing at a time even though I want to live my life

Aspiengineer · 2023-06-14T06:46:36+00:00

I'm not an expert on Jane Austeen, but I struggle to see what special insight she might have had on the psychology of early 21 century men, or why she should have cared at all.

catbom · 2023-06-14T03:28:42+00:00

I think that trans man is in a different category when it comes to talking about male loneliness. Alot of men while comfortable with trans may not always be jumping at the bits to be friends with the transman.

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Title	"What if men aren’t lonely in defiance of their status as oppressors – what if they’re lonely because of that status?" -Joseph Earp
Author	gettin_paid_to_poop
Upvotes	105
Comments	25
Date	June 13, 2023 11:01 PM UTC (3 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
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