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“Why settle when I can get exactly what I want?”

SedTheeMighty · 2023-09-01T10:27:43+00:00

I saw a few women post this on instagram and it really sums up dating. Abundance....

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September 1, 2023

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Title	“Why settle when I can get exactly what I want?”
Author	SedTheeMighty
Upvotes	13
Comments	75
Date	September 1, 2023 10:27 AM UTC (2 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/AllPillDebate
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/AllPillDebate/comments/1673deu/why_settle_when_i_can_get_exactly_what_i_want/
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You're right...But we 'live in a society', and it is not fair to men that because of women being spoilt for choice, alot if men are going to struggle for little to no companionship and stake in the game (a family).

You might not give a shit, but this complex system that allows women to wait and be single is built on the efforts of alot of these men. Luckily for the women, men are still going to work , pay taxes and keep society running.

If we lived on a small island with around 10,000 people, I think the bulk of guys not getting any could easily just tap out and rescind their efforts to leave women, and a select group of men, to actually do most of the work to sustain a semblance of a quality of life...and they won't like it.

Civilisation was built on having most of the men and women being able get partners reliably and relatively easily.

Since nothing is going to change the trajectory we are going on, women for the most part don't care and don't want to be restricted and mgtow isn't really doing anything as men still want company. I think the west is either going to have a population crisis like Japan (country full of incels who seemed to honestly gtow) or just take in immigrants from countries that still have a strong patriarchy.

[–]TermAggravating8043 2 points3 points4 points 2 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Family, sex a lifelong living partner is a privilege and too many guys here forget that and think they should be entailed to it

Woman and men are both working and paying taxes, you wirk to pay your bills and live in that society and contribute to it

People are still populating the world fine, places like japan the woman are still wanting families but don’t want to be dumped with work, kids and households and not enough guys are stepping up to help

All that’s going to change is there will be more men willing to work around their families just like his wife does and the Neanderthal men that think their the only ones doing anything are not going to get partnered up and won’t have a family

It’s survival of the fittest, and the fittest are the ones to adapt to their surroundings, not complain about them

[–]smalltree123 2 years ago [recovered] (3 children) | Copy Link

Men pay more taxes and do work that is more 'fundamental' for society - farming, trades, construction, engineering etc. All work is important but the ones I mentioned are what everything else is built on. Maintaining a family home is also incredibly important (the most fundamental you could say) but that is the end goal of what we are discussing here.

I don't get your reasoning for using the word entitled? Men just want these things, and it is apparent that it is harder to get these things now than before. You could have a decent job and be introduced to a girl or meet them at work and just have a relationship because you aren't competing with 1000s of men online.

Also women want families, sex and a good partner too, I'd never call them entitled.

The western world has below replacement rates.

Those places that are 'populating the world fine' are incredibly patriarchal with girls being severely limited in their sexual and romantic lives - religion, arranged marriage, virginity tests, slut shaming etc all being part of their cultures. From these places are where immigrants come from.

With Japan, it is the economics of raising a family as well for sure, but also most men are just too unnattractive for the women, and also only earning money on par or less than them, when women will in general want the guy earning more.

That's really the cornerstone for all the pill stuff, and all these debates.

Regarding survival of the fittest - this applies to societies as well. The west, where this current man women problem exist can't survive without external input i.e immigrants who don't, atleast initially, share the current western values regarding sex and relationships).

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Woman do the vast majority of childcare and carings roles, the vast of whom are not paid or paid terribly but these roles are essential to society and to ensure the workforce continues

The workforce that also includes most woman now, this is 2023 where men and woman are doing essential work together

Woman want families too but not when they are expected to do 3 jobs, hence the rise in divorce They also have more choice of partners, the same way men have had for centuries (although I will agree dating apps have uped this)

The woman from the places that are “populating” the world have seen the freedom the west offers their daughters and granddaughters so they encourage them to move, find work and don’t tie themselves to the kitchen sink, hence the rise in the loneliness of young men

[–]smalltree1231 point 2 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

The childcare work is incredibly important, im sure you are including teaching as well which is mostly women. These are all based on children who come from families which aren't getting started because women's standards are higher due to the abundance of choice they now have (and yes the economy as well).

Men and women are immigrating to the west mostly together and for the greater quality of life and economic prospects. Of course they dont expect their daughters to be stuck to the kitchen, they want them to be successful. But they still want them to follow their traditional dating paths, with parent involvement, religion, chastity - you can read hundreds of stories of resistance from second gen immigrant women here on reddit.

And these immigrating women that are bringjng children into the world met their partners through their traditional system. This is where western countries source a boost to the population.

It's like you are just imagining stuff you want to believe is true and just conflating or adding things like the kitchen and 'the rise in lonely men' - which seems like some statement tacked on randomly.

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I think you don't realize how men respond in the long term.

Like a gf that won't stop yelling or harping on us, we just eventually distance.

Pill spaces and manosphere etc is the ultimate cope.

If a woman is attracted to a man she will basically move mountains. If she's not then she's not.

All this other shit is just dudes trying to skirt the effort.

It's also a problem with social media identities making people feel significant when it's not. That spreads to all areas of social media

But yeah. Idk what to say. Men are problem solvers.

Maybe the cope spheres will die out or maybe not. They generate a lot of money and engagement.

Black pillers don't care. We will looksmax and enjoy other areas of life. Power for a man isn't centered in a woman as many great men have achieved wondrous things alone, including enlightenment and supra states of self awareness and consciousness which alleviate one from suffering.

Tbh I don't really care about the experience of divorcees and what not. Most men shouldn't but black pillers especially have no motivation to care because if they want to try with us they will and if they don't they don't. That's the fundamental algorithm.

All the rest is dudes doing extra.

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You were talking about it. Idc. Lol. You really really really really, society as a whole, is not prepared for how this shit turns out.

If men don't get anything out of relationships we don't fuckin care about them. You're an artist or a fuckin messiah. We don't give a shit. We want companionship, love, and intimacy, that's it. Some want families and shit but whatever.

We aren't here to be friends with women. We aren't here to hang out and have BBQs and be forced to fuckin have our adrenals constantly triggered by dumb women in suggestive clothing then he gaslit and called a pig for normal biology.

Men don't want to co-exist around women as equals. We are programmed differently. We are different. Neither superior or inferior, just different, but not equal.

To keep reiterating the point, expect men to empathize less and care less. Expect that to keep happening and expect women to end up alone.

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