Today at a gathering I met a guy who by all accounts drowns in poon juice.

He's slightly above average looking and has a fairly commanding presence with a deep voice, but holy shit he's got the charm of a yeast infection and the subtly of sandpaper on an eyeball - no appreciation of dry humor, irony or tact. I cannot imagine him being remotely sexy, not that I've tried very hard.

Now obviously I'm not his target, but I saw him in action with a girl and it was the same neanderthal act - I was sitting right there so I overheard and it was the most simple conversation, although to his credit he said a few daring things that I wasn't sure whether they were supposed to be flirty or negs or what...I was waiting for her to roll her eyes but he ended up getting her number.

I don't just say this to stab the guy in the back, but because I've noticed this in a few guys lately who I wouldn't think were good looking or successful enough to get away with being so charmless but now I'm wondering if I've really overestimated the need to be charming and witty

Sometimes it actually seems like trying to be subtle and charming backfires whilst the simple minded guy stomps over and spits out whatevers on his mind and quite often it works for him.

Or is this more to do with the type of women who appreciate or require charm and witty banter?