Ask Seddit: Have you ever had a girl who defied the principles of game?

aeoz · 2010-07-25T06:05:00+00:00

Of course. The principles of seduction are merely geared towards women in bars and clubs. The problem is, most people who do routines aren't natural. They aren't being themselves. Pickup lines won't work if it doesn't go according to your own self. That's why David Wygant is my inspiration where he states, "Death to Pickup lines." Doesn't mean she doesn't like dominant men, she might not like the way the guy goes about with her. She can see through these guys who are basically dishonest in their approach.

In your case, it seems that she has *gone beyond game. I would assume that she has a good childhood where her parents instilled fine values in herself.

Growing up in Asia, most of the girls I know are more of a romantic side and still afraid of sex—opposed to the Western culture that are more open to it. These girls would fall for guys who have looks and are kind. That's why there are nice guys in the first place, because it has worked before. But the girls that are more attractive and have higher value who get hit on all the time, this is of course a different situation where it all depends from: culture, background, ethnic, values she grew up on, friends, influence, spirituality, etc. (Sorry for the lame answer but explaining it will take an essay.)

To go about this girl, you obviously need basic inner game. Going more advanced, have commonalities and rapport but don't get too nice (AFC). You still need to be sexual with her or you're just gonna get a LJBF. And since she's harder to get, therefore you need to be different than the other guys who even have decent game in them. Find her interests, observe, create connections. Bond. It all goes back to your inner game and character.

Game might not work because she's not in the same frequency. But being confident and passionate is a trait every girl wants. Be that man.

Sublomino · 2010-07-25T09:11:57+00:00

It sounds like this girl has an extremely well developed sense of independent self-esteem. You're not going to have anything with her if you try to pump her self esteem up and down like normal game. I think this girl would very likely respond well to language patterns, seductive poetry, and Ross Jeffries type of game, where you use your language to convey imagery and emotion.

Either that, or you're just seeing this girl through the halo effect and thinking no this girl is different from all the others.

EvolutionTheory · 2010-07-26T06:12:26+00:00

I totally dis-agree with aeoz. Seduction is not 'merely' geared towards bars and clubs. Seduction is about being an a man that women find attractive in whatever situation. Sure, a lot of it is geared to specific situations, but the larger picture is non-locational. (Look into how much is available on day game, or social circle for example.)

Pickup lines do work (I'm living proof), especially by new guys with nothing better. Are they optimal? No, of course not, because nothing is better than being a naturally attractive man. But for many men they are a good start.

What's so interesting about game that was pointed out to me is that it works regardless of her personality, or nationality, or interests. Good game is about being attractive, period.

So, to answer your question, does she need a different kind of game? No. She just needs to be gamed at a higher level by someone with real game mastery.

MrKlaatu · 2010-07-25T06:00:29+00:00

don't try to game her.

P.E.R.I.O.D

wynyx · 2010-07-25T08:01:50+00:00

If you meet a girl that doesn't seem interested in a game, don't give her one. Some principles always apply, though, like most of what you know about touching. (FYI, I'm not really a PUA, which is actually why I feel this advice is valid.)

cbraga · 2010-07-25T14:33:44+00:00

IMNSHO routines are like the little wheels bikes have for you to learn. You'll ride tumbling and almost falling down, but you'll ride...

Routines such as MM are made for the average totally inept chump to score with average chicks after failing a lot and finally meeting one that likes him. In that they are succesful. Yet...

Just as you can't be a good rider with training wheels eventually you have to outgrow the routines or you'll never score with hot, intelligent chicks - they'll smell your canned crap a mile away. It's all about confidence and not falling for their shit tests, and having a well balance life - so called "inner game", I hate that phrase.

EvolutionTheory · 2010-07-27T01:46:18+00:00

These don't defy any "game". While with enough practice you can get it down to throwing out reactions you've done a hundred times to where it seems like you're just pressing the next necessary button to get the reaction you want.. women are still individually unique humans. This girl could have a thousand different life experiences beyond what you're used to dealing with or the examples youre reading about but the principle still apply. You have to calibrate what you do to the person you're with and you can't necessarily use a cookie cutter set of plans to pick up any girl.

This girl might be someone who just dates friends or is holding out on guys because she has a romantic idea of love she hasn't had ripped form her through experience quite yet. There could be many explanations but she isn't defying anything but perhaps a scripted bar pickup.

If you're seeing valid, valid, direct approaches fail from decent guys, if you're seeing indirect approaches fail, try being a normal decent person and be her friend and hang out with her as just a friend because it seems like if you try an incongruent pickup you'll get shot down and lose your chance. Try having another friend set you two up or introduce you. I'm not sure what your current relationship to her is. Most relationships don't form through pickups anyway.. they form through social circles.

Title	Ask Seddit: Have you ever had a girl who defied the principles of game?
Author	seventhNameOfOsiris
Upvotes	11
Comments	20
Date	July 25, 2010 5:43 AM UTC (15 years ago)
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