I am a Bad Closer.

erthian · 2011-10-29T12:57:41+00:00

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TenaciousMike · 2011-10-29T14:26:19+00:00

You're smashed? That's a problem. Unless the girl is smashed and DTF from the get-go, being drunk does NOT help your case.

IBringAIDS · 2011-10-29T20:45:02+00:00

I prefer Captain Jack's method the most.

You need to set several frames (I do these through the strawberry fields and rings-on-fingers routines) during the interaction.

Frame 1. She's got a high sex drive

Frame 2. She doesn't care what society thinks

Frame 3. She's sexually aggressive towards someone she likes

Frame 4. You're non-judgemental

Frame 5. You're good at keeping secrets

Do these 5 things, set up a super simple excuse to hang out as the night ends ("Ever seen sunny in philadelphia? that show is awesome! we should watch it right now!") and handle logistics. It's literally that simple. I have a total of 3-4 routines that I actually run, the rest of the time I'm just hanging out and being comfortable and relaxed.

Fly_Fly_Away · 2011-10-29T16:11:55+00:00

Full-closing rarely happens, and when it does it happens with someone called a "fools mate." There are very specific situations when you can manipulate this into happening, I personally have only pulled it off twice. The first time, I was at a bar, and instead of leaving to go home at closing time, my wingman and I mentioned that we weren't able to drive yet, so we were going to go to a popular restaurant down the road. We didn't even invite them at that point. They said that they were probably just going to get a taxi. My buddy playing it off said something to the effect of "alright then, we had a great time hanging out with you, hope to see you again sometime," and started walking out. I mentioned how pointless getting a cab was when you knew people that had a car and started walking away, pulling off a mini-neg and giving them the idea of getting a ride from us. So they asked us if we would give them a ride, I said we'd think about it, but we still weren't sober so they should come with us to the restaurant. They did, we chatted more, escalated more, etc. Then we drove them to their apartment. This was the biggest gap and the most important part. At this point, they have decided deep inside whether they want more to happen or not, so at this point just go for it. They said, "We had a great night, it was so much fun, thank you." And my buddy said, "Who said it has to end now?"

And we were in, went into the apartment, played never have I ever, did some silly college games, drank wine, but that's as far as we were going to get as a group. At this point, it's like an approach all over again, except a higher difficulty level, because you're not going for a kiss or a number you're going for something bigger. So you still have to approach, avoid the bitch shield, isolate, demonstrate value, and close. So we needed to isolate. I said I wanted to show my target something outside, so I took her outside and showed her constellations (something she was into) and we just sat there talking, I kept escalating and she'd already kissed me before, so I said "if you want to kiss me again, that's ok" she did we made out and by the time we went inside, we said we couldn't drive from the wine, they offered to let us stay, and that's the end of the night.

The second time was pretty much just luck, I had pretty good game the whole night and wasn't really looking for any close, but they this girl just dragged me upstairs to an empty bedroom and that was that.

tl;dr Read the above. But a good summation: F-closing doesn't happen on the first night much, but if you want the night to last longer than the bar or the party, have a plan for what you (and your wingman?) are going to do afterwards. Then, as you're leaving, invite them to come with you, it's like a mini-date and gets you more opportunity to demonstrate value and neg and pull until you are ready to close.

If you have any questions shoot em my way.

Mathematic21 · 2011-10-29T09:34:21+00:00

ABC, A Always, B Be, C Closing, And Always Be Escalating. When it comes to the close it should flow naturally because they want to leave with you. AFC Adam gives a talk on closing

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6TGBKaR76c&feature=relmfu

Pires007 · 2011-10-29T19:25:03+00:00

In terms of method to close, I really like Mystery Method. One of the principles is that a girl has to be with you for about 5-7 hours before you can close her. If you're at a mixer, I'm guessing you're there for 1-2 hours tops with a single girl. You need a bridge, (let's get a bite, or let's meet later) and continue the steps.

Also Keno like crazy. How far do you get up the keno escalation ladder (kissing?) If you're not at that point, you're in no position to close either.

Title	I am a Bad Closer.
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Date	October 29, 2011 7:50 AM UTC (14 years ago)
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