I'm enjoying this forum and everyone's posts. I've been into "seduction" (I prefer the term "attraction") for about three years now, and I've transformed from an AFC to a pretty decent PUA. Whatever stage you are on in the journey, I wish you confidence and determination to reach the next stage.

I don't consider a "number close" to be a real "close." Don't get me wrong -- it's definitely a good milestone, and it's a good indication of your progress. If you were an AFC before, getting a girl's number is a concrete sign of achievement. But as you level up in this hobby, you will realize it's not a big deal.

Put yourself in a HB's shoes. She is constantly being asked for her number. More often than not, she will give out her number because it's easier than arguing. If you call or text her later, she can always ignore the message or flake out. If she gives you her number, it doesn't necessarily mean she wants to see you again.

I seldom ask for a girl's number. They usually suggest the idea of exchanging numbers to me. This happens because I have established a rapport and made myself interesting and exciting to them. When the time comes to part company, they decide they want to see me again and offer to exchange numbers.

This works much more effectively for attraction. If you make it seem like it was her idea, she is much more likely to want to see you again. Now she feels like she is in control, and gets to see this amazing, charming man on another occasion because of her choosing. You are happy to oblige her whim. She is happy because she "scored" the number of an awesome dude. This gives you the upper hand for the next time you meet.

So, how do you do it? How do you get them to be the one to suggest exchanging numbers? Remember, it's all about making them feel a certain way when they are around you. Make sure you have that going on first. The other two things that make it work are making sure you're a busy man with lots of exciting things going on -- and not worrying about the outcome.

By the time you part company, you should have already mentioned some cool things happening in your life -- specific upcoming events, hobbies, people you hang out with. She will realize she wants to spend time doing things with you, and will suggest meeting again. When you are outcome independent, you have this vibe of being in the moment. You are engaged in and having fun with her in this present moment. You aren't anxious about seeing her in the future -- because once you really cultivate this feeling, you honestly do not give a fuck if you ever see her again. She will sense this, and realize she needs to ask you for your number. And then -- bam! -- she's invested. Having her ask for your number makes your job a lot easier.

Tonight I went to a bar to have a drink and see about this HB8 Hired Gun I had interacted with before. On the way over there, I was thinking "eh, she probably doesn't want to date me, but, wtf, I'm thirsty and we'll see. If she doesn't want me, no big deal -- I'll just enjoy my drink."

Well, we ended up chatting and flirting for a long time. Early on in the interaction she asked for my number and we set up a date for tomorrow. She later talked about how she gets hit on a lot, but she wanted to spend time with me because I'm different than all the other guys. I was there to enjoy myself and have fun being social. Getting her number and a date with her was just icing on the cake.

So, fellow sedditors, remember that a #close is nice, but it is way more meaningful if she asked you for yours. Be amazing, confident, and outcome-independent. The only "failure" in this game is not to try.