Has night-game declined too far?

rpujoe · 2024-05-14T12:52:34+00:00

Have you... tried making friend with them? We've turned a corner and now the "secret society" is more powerful than ever. A select few guys in an entire social circle is smashing all the women behind the scenes and almost nobody is the wiser.

Make friends with a huge group of girls and work on becoming the guy they all hook up with. That is the way things are now. I mean they always have been, but that's more important now than ever before in part because of the reasons OP described.

abunuboid77 · 2024-05-13T22:08:57+00:00

agreed. Getting a phone number seems to have zero value now . I dont even care if i get a number now 9/10 either leads to nothing or gets ghosted / blocked.

UnorthodoxBodybuild · 2024-05-13T23:43:22+00:00

Night game always has been “same night” game. Collecting numbers at a bar or club is 99% futile unless youre getting a contact friday night to invite out saturday. And nightgame has always been high difficulty mode when it comes to meeting quality (if you wanna just take home whatever you can get its a different story)

Papaslto · 2024-05-13T23:13:23+00:00

I would think New York is essentially easy mode compared to cities with little to no nightlife.

It is for sure true that things have changed a lot in the last twenty years and I am positive that a huge majority of connections are being made online these days but I don't think meeting people in person is absolutely dead.

I think women are going to have higher than normal standards in person especially when their friends are there with them. But if you make a good impression I don't see it as impossible, although I don't often go out to night life in my city because it's super boring here but while I was in New York and Buenos Aires, the vibes there were perfect for it.

Yuri_TxM · 2024-05-14T05:48:29+00:00

With experience and "oldness" it should be easier, not harder - considering stable conditions. It's the climate. In the past women saw men as fun and the opposite sex, a source of interesting experiences and feelings. Today women got so ingrained with progressism they are just afraid. Of everything. So yeah, it's way easier for you to explore other avenues than gaming on night clubs. At least that's my experience. With caution too, women are way more problematic, unpredictable and dangerous than ever. Take your time.

IMO the "game knowledge" is becoming more philosophical than practical nowadays. The internal game is more important than ever. At some point the trend is going to reverse but for now that's it. Perhaps in the next 15-20 years it'll get better, when this gen realizes they're only getting more and more mentally sick, having less fun, and they were just abused for other people's ends.

bebop_exp · 2024-05-13T21:57:45+00:00

Unless you’ve got close friends from different ethnicities, it’s literally impossible for you to know what the other ethnicity is experiencing.

ThatOneDrunkUncle · 2024-05-14T00:57:53+00:00

I disagree. I’m in another east coast city and me and my friends still pull easily. Mid to late 20s. My girl friends regularly go home with strangers and help wingman us. I think it’s easier than ever because most people suck at real social interactions now and girls are literally glowing when I approach them out. I was actually thanked on Saturday for approaching in person lol. Most of my roster is from OLD though, just because it’s a decent filter. I think it’s 90/10 now rather than 80/20, but the bar is so fucking low to be in the top 10% now.

thenoob277 · 2024-05-14T05:16:06+00:00

I live in north Jersey but I would say NYC is pretty easy for nightlife these days.

The bar for competition is higher now but if you can dance bachata/salsa and know how to move towards hip hop music it’s pretty easy. I see fat dudes pulling all the time in Elizabeth.

I was recently pulling a new girl about once a month at slate.

The only thing that’s really changed is that most women are in groups these days. It sucks because younger women look at you weird if you’re solo or their friends make it unnecessarily harder now. I could probably average more pulls but the friend group I have now rarely likes to go out and I’m already leading the way when I do go out.

The group bullshit is definitely a NJ/NY thing though. I’ve been travelling to Texas a lot recently and women are far more approachable solo

kfree313 · 2024-05-14T02:19:05+00:00

I think the game has gotten easier now

MrAnonPoster · 2024-05-14T13:43:58+00:00

Also in NYC. It is the absolute reverse. Women in the wild are absolutely gagging for it as pretty much everyone became either Homer Simpsons thinking their "game skills" are going to let them overcome their beer bellies or dweebs who try flexing texting skills and instagram

Mad_King · 2024-05-14T08:49:27+00:00

I totally agree but at the same time if you in the top, you wouldn’t have these problems so I assume you are not in the %5-%10 top. I am not either but I know some people who had everything they want disgustingly easy. So it is a look game and not only a look game, it is also a mood game. I am moody and clingy. I worked a lot all my life, I cant get rid of this moodiness. I also think that this is not fair because I am at the bottom side of the balance. I think if you just fix your moodiness and your game and your entitled mindset, everything will be fine.

knuglets · 2024-05-14T15:50:10+00:00

I mostly disagree on night game being less fruitful now. In some ways it is more difficult. Finding the right venues, total quantity of women is definitely down. But I would say likelihood of pulling same night is actually improved due to less quality men being available (guys that know what they're doing, since less and less young men do). Overall, I'd say it balances out to being slightly easier than before, but with less frequency.

So for the average man, sure it is harder, but for even the top 30%, it is probably a bit easier once you're in the right venue.

Yes, what you are saying about phone numbers is true and even more so now than before, but nothing hugely different there.

Yes, blacks and Asians still have it harder than white guys, except when it comes to going for their own races. But that shouldn't stop you from trying.

ROBYoutube · 2024-05-14T08:20:08+00:00

You are out of your mind if you seriously think this. Everybody is still out getting fucked up. Everybody is still fucking.

ahg1008 · 2024-05-14T17:12:07+00:00

Honestly. Only game that has always worked- Get in a setting where you are naturally exceptional. Generate massive social proof. Get the best gals.

Always worked for me.

Ultimately why waste time on gals. Or learning 30 different skills.

Why not just be best at something you are good at. Women follow.

Done.

VasiliyZaitzev · 2024-05-14T01:13:13+00:00

It’s honestly shocking how easy any basic white guy in Nyc has it

Eh. It’s easy to look at a guy who is more successful than we are in and think, “wow, that guy has it easy,” but really, we all have our own sets of problems. The guy on the mountain top didn’t fucking fall there.

For example, I got a number from a 25 year old Arab/E European mix (I thought she was Italian) on Sunday. Now, it doesn’t hurt that I’m a tall white dude - she’s 6’ tall, so my height was an automatic in. But at the same time, I’m 31 years older than she is. Pretty quickly, I had her eating from the palm of my hand, but that’s also nearly 4 decades of dating and learning game - any wisdom I have is the product of long and difficult experience, but for you guys, it’s free! She’s an introvert and I am “introvert kryptonite.”

So yeah, outside of GigaChads, guys who are successful are usually guys who have earned it in some way.

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Blagaflaga · 2024-05-15T03:56:13+00:00

Your post is absolutely right. Particularly your point about the noticeable bias towards average white guys.

I don’t live in NYC, but have visited. In any less dense city like mine it’s even worse. This is the general experience in most cities for me and the people I’ve talked to about this, though there are outlier cities like New Orleans and Tallahassee. There are others that I don’t know about.

OLD odds have essentially bled into IRL. They’re usually not interested in most men besides the top 20%, high chance of getting ghosted after great convos, even less chance of a same-night hookup. For most minorities, you need to need to be very attractive to get anything other than your time wasted. Above average white guys with any sort of social skills have some success as well but really no one to the point of night-game being worth it as reliable way to meet women. Most of them don’t even want to be friends.

Major_Fox7373 · 2024-05-19T14:58:30+00:00

It also differs per country but when it comes to the West in general - I totally agree.

I only practice day game nowadays. Like 90% succes rate on approaches - compared to maybe 10-20% when night gaming.

rpujoe · 2024-06-04T13:40:10+00:00

I can tell you don't have female friends. I went out in DC away from my normal scene where I had no status. I did just fine with girls hitting on me bringing me to their table not the other way around.

If you suck at night game it's a you problem, not a night game problem. Work on your energy and learn to vibe with women better. Having a bunch of hot female friends goes a long way to solving this.

Which_Efficiency6908 · 2024-07-02T17:01:07+00:00

Disagree. Absolutely nothing’s changed with night game.

In regards to your last point, white people are considered exotic in big cities like NY London now due to all the immigration so yes they do have better odds. If you’re ethnic and want to increase your odds you need to move somewhere you’re exotic.

Vermillion-Rx · 2024-05-13T21:44:52+00:00

HowShittyThouArt · 2024-05-13T23:30:51+00:00

Huh, that's kinda interesting. Totally contrasts what I've always heard in red pill spaces. The sentiment I always see about "girl's nights" is that it usually leads to them cheating, or that they only do it in the first place with the intention of hooking up.

Your post is more accurate to what I've experienced irl, but if that's the case, where did that sentiment even come from in the first place? Maybe it's different depending on the locale or something?

mamaboyinStreets · 2024-05-14T03:47:05+00:00

If you bring fun convo and have something to say, most women will thank you for approaching.

wearwhatwhenny · 2024-05-14T01:15:09+00:00

I live in nyc and agree with this fully

Title	Has night-game declined too far?
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Date	May 13, 2024 9:43 PM UTC (2 years ago)
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