Women Aren't Happy With Australian Healthcare

MensRights-ModTeam · 2024-07-04T03:36:40+00:00

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AnFGhoster · 2024-07-03T07:08:12+00:00

I've often heard about women complain that male physicians will dismiss pain "without an obvious cause" when the patient is a woman.

...I have diabetic neuropathy. I've heard this shit too. There are doctors do not put as much stock into what patients say if they can't find a cause themselves that "proves" the condition is happening. I have shot back at a doctor that suggested it's "all in my head" with "and where do you think the nervous system is centralized in?" This shit isn't unique to women.

Busy_Lingonberry_705 · 2024-07-03T08:33:01+00:00

Whenever I hear feminists complain about the gender health gap I am reminded of an article about prostate cancer. It said little has improved in regards to treatment over the last 30 years and survival rates are pretty much this same. This is a stark contrast to cancer's that are seen as women's cancers yet the conviniently ignore that. Ironically the journalist would've typically one to complain about womens health gap if her father hadnt died of prostate cancer

JettandTheo · 2024-07-03T09:49:49+00:00

The article has some defect points and tweet need to be investigated on why it's happening But why would you start off an article about this instead of the non cancer diagnosis, or the higher heart attack deaths.

It was when a male obstetrician “ripped the placenta” out of her body, without word or warning.

A nurse, Ms Metcalf knows the intervention - while immensely painful - was necessary. She couldn't push it out naturally, which was causing potentially fatal bleeding.

But she hadn’t “seen or met this man before”, and she can’t get past the fact that her consent, during one of the most traumatic experiences of her life, “meant so little”.

“It felt like a violation - I needed to feel involved in what was happening to my body, and not just like a bystander.”

Current_Finding_4066 · 2024-07-03T09:05:34+00:00

True, crappy health care system hurts everyone, men and women.

Womens groups trying to make is a gendered issues make me puke. This will only lead to men getting even shittier service as women will receive more then their fair share of resources.

Yet another case of not trying to solve the actual issue, which is poor health care system (partly due to costs savings), lack of doctors that leads to people not being able to avoid shitty ones, or them simply loosing their licence (can happen in theory, almost never happens in practice).

oofieoofty · 2024-07-03T13:45:30+00:00

As a woman with chronic illness I cannot stand women like this. I need doctors to know that I am not malingering and to feel free to speak to me honestly. They can’t when so many people of my gender act like this.

michaelingram1974 · 2024-07-03T14:04:35+00:00

the Gender Health Gap is constantly presented, like so much other bullshit, in a 'this is obviously true, do not dare deny it' manner, but the evidence is never given. It is all based on vague, qualitative reporting.

It is a sad reflection of our times that people feel sufficiently emboldened to churn this stuff out, and a sad reflection of our times that it is not challenged.

Like others commenting, I have been misdiagnosed by doctors many many times. I have had things not taken seriously. I have had things left for too long. But presumably when this happened to me, it wasn't related to my gender, but when it happens to a woman, it is.

WhereProgressIsMade · 2024-07-03T14:36:54+00:00

across 770 diseases they studied, women were diagnosed later than men, with an average lag time of four years.

Well, at least they cited some data. Seems like it could be due to men going in to see a doctor later though. If your issue is further along and has more symptoms, it's probably easier to diagnose.

mr_ogyny · 2024-07-03T10:09:59+00:00

I don't know where the idea that doctors are only dismissive of women comes from. Perhaps men learn that doctors are going to be dismissive so they stop trying. Whereas, women continue to persist until they take it seriously.

Doctors are people at the end of the day and a lot of them simply don't care about you or aren't very good at their job.

63daddy · 2024-07-03T17:26:52+00:00

In the U.S., we have several offices of women’s health, none for men’s health. Under Obamacare, there are over 20 women only mandated coverages, no men only. Men’s premiums were increased to subsidize women.

There is a sex specific bias, but it’s not in favor of men.

Dull-Peak-2809 · 2024-07-03T08:54:43+00:00

Australian women happy? Is that possible? Lol. That aside, you're right, "If anyone should be complaining, it's men, with the imbalance of resources devoted to male medical issues." But no, everything must be breast cancer bro..

HiveMindKing · 2024-07-03T18:46:02+00:00

As an adult guy I can feels doctors disinterest, I can guarantee you that most women get better service and pretty women far better service. It’s not like the doctors are trying to fuck them either it’s just part of the women are wonderful effect that women love to pretend isn’t real.

UbiquitousWobbegong · 2024-07-03T20:02:09+00:00

People want healthcare to be a science the way math is a science; 1+1=2 and that's just the way it is. But practicing healthcare is more like putting a jigsaw puzzle together when you're missing half the pieces. You can be 99% certain that it's a swan, but it can still turn out to be a very angry goose.

And that isn't even accounting for human error. Just like in every field, doctors, nurses, technologists, etc, make mistakes. You could be slightly rotated on an xray, within the boundary of tolerance that we don't repeat the image, and it can obscure a metastatic lesion. The same mistake with a different patient might reveal a metastatic lesion that was otherwise hidden.

We work very hard to minimize the variability of success in medical treatment, but there's no such thing as a guarantee. If that's not enough for you, you're welcome to seek treatment elsewhere.

Capable-Mushroom99 · 2024-07-04T00:57:06+00:00

I guess we shouldn’t expect anything else from advocacy groups that get money by drawing attention to their particular “victim” group. But many of the stories in this and similar articles are just nonsense. Why haven’t we got a cure for this or that female disease; because it’s f*ing hard that’s why. Look at the shitload of money spent on Parkinsons research since Michael J Fox was diagnosed. Has treatment improve? No, not really because it’s very difficult. Would that money have been better spent on diseases we understand; almost certainly. We spend more on breast cancer research than prostate cancer research despite it causing less deaths. Has this led to huge breakthroughs? No. Do women really have worse outcome from heart attacks? No, unless you’re an idiot and ignore the fact that they’re less likely to get a heart attack and therefore have them at an older age when recovery is more difficult.

Available-Mention-79 · 2024-07-03T07:18:13+00:00

No we need to treat those problems seriously. I live in germany and we have this too... These problems are real but unfortunaly docs these days are overworked and hear to much bs and whining about little thinks..

My solution would be to have a professionell between nurse and doc who can make diagnosis to sort out the "nose running" from the "could be cancer"

Huffers1010 · 2024-07-03T11:29:43+00:00

I dropped by with the intention of posting about this article, if someone else hadn't already. It's actually one of those things I'd rather discuss over on r/feminism because I think the line being pushed is as bad for women as it is for men, but I don't think that'd be a very productive idea.

What you say is entirely correct, but I'd go a bit further. The opening section, talking about a woman named Heidi Metcalf, is particularly disturbing. Obviously, the situation Metcalf was in was horrible, inasmuch as it involved a potentially fatal bleed after having recently given birth and an extremely painful treatment. Anyone would forgive her for being in a mess psychologically.

But her opening gambit - or at least the first thing she's quoted as saying - is given as follows:

But she hadn’t “seen or met this man before”, and she can’t get past the fact that her consent, during one of the most traumatic experiences of her life, “meant so little”.

“It felt like a violation - I needed to feel involved in what was happening to my body, and not just like a bystander.”

Sorry, what? This man just saved her life. Metcalf is reportedly a nurse and would have known that very well. What on earth does she expect - dinner and a movie to get acquainted while she bleeds to death, just so she doesn't have to feel any feelings she doesn't want to feel?

Now I'd be perfectly happy to accept arguments along the line that the doctor who did this was impolite, or patronising, or didn't explain what was going on, or was dismissive of Metcalf's concerns. That's hardly news among medical professionals. But that's not what's related here. If that's what happened, they should have said. They didn't.

What's related here is that someone needed an unpleasant, invasive, intensely personal medical treatment. She got it and as such is still alive. She's now scorning the guy who did it on the basis he's some sort of sociopolitical transgressor. It felt like a violation, perhaps. If it was a violation I suggest she instructs a legal professional to pursue the guy for some sort of sexual assault. I notice that isn't discussed. What we're talking about here is the sometimes yawning gap between what people feel to be true, and what is actually true.

I'm not a doctor. I'm barely an amateur g... let's not go there. But people keep asking me to do a first aid course, which would potentially involve putting my hands on an unknown woman's chest.

In this clown world, I think not.

Temporary-Twist-9348 · 2024-07-03T10:23:03+00:00

Women are never happy. Period

Morden013 · 2024-07-03T10:58:31+00:00

I hope you screamed softly, as the doctor shoved your collarbone into place. We don't want to offend ladies who were there, do we?

Infestedwithnormies · 2024-07-03T11:50:59+00:00

Doctors are arrogant, egotistical assholes with God complexes. Fuck 'em.

Main-Tiger8593 · 2024-07-04T05:00:54+00:00

ojp history of women in clinical research

if sombody wants to know how it started...

Title	Women Aren't Happy With Australian Healthcare
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