The line between "White knight" and actually just helping with stuff you know about.

SgtChrome · 2024-07-21T11:31:05+00:00

I don't even know exactly what this white knight stuff is, but I guess it boils down to this: If you got laid about as often as you would like and on the side you liked to fix some girls hinges occasionally, I fail to see anything negative about that. On the other hand, if you were not seeing any action and doing things for girls was your desperate try to get them to sleep with you or even just talk with you, that would suck.

So fix these peoples hinges if that's what you wanna do, total chad move in my book. If you don't really want to do it and do it in the hope of getting some kind of reward outside of a thanks, don't do it.

NCreature · 2024-07-21T11:50:29+00:00

Intent.

What underlies the behavior? Are you doing it secretly hoping for some other unexpressed outcome? Or is the stated goal (fixing hinges) the desired outcome.

White knighting tends to be the former.

Western-Month-3877 · 2024-07-21T12:37:49+00:00

In my understanding white knighting is an online buzz word. It’s not just helping someone which is pretty broad.

But specially helping: 1. An opposite gender 2. Sometimes without being asked 3. Subtly expect the counterpart will return the favor

This is where the term “nice guys” comes in. Guys who think that by being nice, the girls will eventually fall in love with them. So the word nice here used sarcastically.

GymBroTRT · 2024-07-21T13:07:48+00:00

Interesting discussion. There was an old, legendary guy in the old seduction forums called Rick H. and one of his rules was “no good deed goes unpunished”. Basically, avoid being overly nice and accommodating with women, going out of your way to do things for them in the hopes of getting some. That includes not buying dinners, taking her out to fancy places, etc., without her reciprocation at all.

Now, if a girl says “omg, OP, I’m just a weak silly woman and I have no idea how to fix this squeaky hinge on my door. Can you come over and help fix it with your big, manly hands”, I mean that’s obviously a play to get you alone and also make you feel needed. Thats female seduction basically. So don’t be a knucklehead and turn it down. Once I did that because I was paranoid I would be seen as being too nice of a guy, and then I realized I was being a dumbass when the girl was all confused and thought I was rejecting her.

Now, what I would say no to is a girl you just started dating or you just asked out saying she wants to go to a specific restaurant or grab a specific food. If she says “cool, yes, I’d love to go out with you. I love sushi by the way”, the last place you should take her to is sushi. Because if you do, you are following her lead. She is leading and she knows it. Either don’t go to dinner or if you do, pick Italian or whatever.

If she asks you to buy her something, or hints at you to take her on vacation because he girlfriends new boyfriend just took her to Italy, stuff like this, be on the lookout. Avoid volunteering to fix shit for them, unless they explicitly ask you and even then, you can include a contract of appreciation. For example, a girl says “my sink has been leaking, do you think you can come by Friday night to fix it”. Look her up and down and say: “so…if I show up with my tools are you going to greet me in your bathrobe drinking a glass of white wine???”

And if she says “what no, I’m not that kind of girl”, then just wink at her and say “oh well then, you better call a professional plumber”. If she actually does want to get you alone, she might say “well, bo bathrobe, but sure, I will offer you a glass of wine, deal”. Then you have set up the stage.

ironmanalex123 · 2024-07-21T15:01:30+00:00

you say sure and you go and do it and when you are there you hit on her with magnificent style and make her all wet. If she is does not vibe after half an hour you say 'oh sorry something happened and I have to be somewhere else'. you can sense how she behaves and if she's dodging your flirting or leaning into it. the main issue is that you don't flirt, you just help like an uncle.

MrAnonPoster · 2024-07-21T15:17:43+00:00

The line is you trying to use it to get into her pants or increase your chances of getting into her pants

thatwabba · 2024-07-21T16:08:46+00:00

You’ve got the definitions wrong.

What you are trying to describe is simping (being a “simp”) or being a “nice guy.” This refers to someone who does favors for the opposite sex (or same sex) against their genuine will because they are afraid of saying no or, even worse, because they secretly hope it will result in some kind of romantic relationship. The mentality is, “If I continue being nice and doing favors, it will eventually make the other person fall in love with me.”

Doing favors here and there doesn’t automatically place someone in the “simp” or “nice guy” category; it depends on the situation. For example, if I am on a date and a girl asks me to hold her purse because she needs to tie her shoe, I will hold her purse, and that’s not simping. However, if a guy keeps trying to get a date with a girl who always seems busy except when she needs help moving a sofa, then, in my opinion, the guy is a simp if he helps her—assuming, of course, that he isn’t doing it because he genuinely wants to help.

A white knight is a man who tries to take a woman from another man by portraying himself as an upstanding citizen, positioning himself as a gleaming, shining alternative to the girl’s disreputable cad of a man. He does this in a particularly underhanded way. The white knight is often this nice guy or “gay best friend” who tries to pick up this girl but just ends up being friend zoned, so when that girl gets approached by a flirty, bold and funny guy he thinks that this guy is toxic bad guy from which this girl needs to be saved from.

No-Preference8767 · 2024-07-21T21:06:07+00:00

Women weaponize incompetence ALOT so I think I end up scrutinizing them more. I'm almost never offering physical labor help unless they pay me or it's literally a 30 second thing

I only ask to help people who are willing to help themselves so I have to see them unable to do something for an extended period of time in order for me to help regardless of gender.

That's just my rulebook.

if they are elderly under 15 years old or disabled the rules don't apply

DaygameCode · 2024-07-21T17:07:09+00:00

She does not have a car, so I guess a bit easier to ask me to fix it, than to go out and get some lube her self.

Do it but get paid. Don’t work for free, and don’t confuse being nice, with her taking advantage of you exploiting you for free. Doing shit for free is a no no. It will make her think you just want to be friends. Vast majority of girls only fuck with guys who don’t do shit for free or nothing in return.

When do you know if something is just helping somebody and when it’s too much, when people exploit you. When do you know you are doing some white knight stuff?

Simple, you wouldn’t do it if it was an old random lady, or someone you weren’t interested in or trying to get something. I don’t help strangers with their shit because they are strangers. I’m not a samaritan who goes around fixing random people’s problems.

TLDR: How do you know if what you are about to do is just “genuine real help” and when it could fall into “White knight actions” ?

It’s simple if you like the girl, don’t do it. If you don’t like the girl help her. Basically the opposite of what intuition tells you. If you like a girl you know you must not be a tool or a doormat, so you don’t do favours. no matter how small, or how little of an inconvenience it could be. Or if you do, you ask first for something, like a kiss on the cheek or a date for example. If they say no, then you don’t need to feel bad about not helping them because they rejected you and did not feel bad.

MouseAware809 · 2024-07-21T11:27:30+00:00

Why do you need to come on reddit to defend yourself?

I do not know if you come to the aid of random women, to defend their honor, especially online, in the hopes of sleeping with them. This is what I would class as White Knight behaviour.

But even if you do fall into that category, why the fuck do you care what random people on Reddit think? Do you need their validation or something?

Title	The line between "White knight" and actually just helping with stuff you know about.
Author	sund55
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Date	July 21, 2024 11:13 AM UTC (2 years ago)
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