Debunk the "Feminazi" narrative about the supposed existence of inherent "Sexism" against women in sports.

Tharkun140 · 2024-08-11T17:51:18+00:00

You can't really disprove a negative like that. If someone argues that there's a movement aimed at discouraging women from exercising, they need to provide evidence for that (pretty wild) claim. Otherwise, there's literally nothing to talk about.

Capable-Mushroom99 · 2024-08-11T19:47:39+00:00

In the US you have the exact reverse. Because a few mens college sports are very popular with fans and donors they generate a lot of money. The government then forces the colleges to spend half the money on money losing womens sports. You then get the ridiculous situation of low quality womens programs spending money on scholarships and charter flights across the country just to be able to use up the budget. Comparable level mens programs have no scholarships and play games locally because the men are doing it for the enjoyment of the sport.

Then you have professional sports like soccer where the women demand to be paid based on what the men make. The men have no guaranteed contracts, compete to play for massive clubs with turnover of hundreds of millions or billions and that billions of fans want to watch. The women have guaranteed contracts, low revenues and most of the games they play are meaningless. The quality of womens games is probably worse than your nearest amateur team or travel boys club.

The only bias I see is the self inflicted one where some women want to compete against men because they “care” too much to make those men confront the conflict between wanting to live as a woman and having male advantage.

proudgooner4 · 2024-08-11T18:45:10+00:00

The thing is, technically sexism against women in sports is real. They’re just bad at sports. Biologically women will never be as good at sports as men. It’s not true sexism though, it’s just a fact of life

AndreasDasos · 2024-08-11T18:23:40+00:00

First off, I know what you mean but ‘Feminazi’ is pretty cringey as words go.

Easy. A truly non-sexist approach would just be to ignore gender completely and combine them for all sports... And guess what would happen - outside long distance swimming, dressage (…), and a couple of others: the best women in the world may sometimes come first at a local level, but not beyond that, especially for anything where strength or speed make a big difference. Especially the former: the world’s strongest woman would be at the level of ‘a very strong guy’, such as you meet a few of down at your local pub, and we have a lot of data on this.

The moment people are setting up matches to determine ‘Who is the best at XYZ subject to [condition that puts them at a disadvantage]’ anything is fair game. A whole plethora of physical attributes determined from birth play a huge role in determining who is best at a particular sport. What about basketball for people under 5’6”? Gymnastics for those over 6’? Let along lung capacity for swimmers, torso:leg ratio for swimmers vs. runners, fast-twitch muscle fibres… Even race correlates massively in some of those but we’re not about to segregate that way. ‘But it’s unfair that we don’t perform as well’ is very shaky ground…

Just because being a woman is one that has a simpler word (but guess what, may not be so simple to determine after all… not a coincidence that intersex women and those with higher testosterone, with other obvious effects, do so disproportionately well…) doesn’t mean it’s any different.

Most of us want to see the best performance. It’s a privilege for any group to have ‘conditional’ games.

If people want to watch the women play, that’s fine. It’s of some interest and it’s just sport, after all. But they don’t get to demand equality or complain if fewer people watch. And no, USWNT, beating other women’s teams doesn’t mean you’re better than the USMNT. But please play an actual match against them if you like, if you believe you are.

Then there’s the economic aspect. If more people want to watch a team play, then more money will come in. Turns out when women’s football looks like a slow motion replay in real time, and the WNBA seems one dunk per year or two rather than per game, people aren’t as enthused. Also turns out women’s volleyball is far more popular (!) for some reason… but I’m sure that’s sexism too. Sorry, if they can’t outperform the men, there is only another way they could be ‘unfairly’ more popular.

And even then, even when the 204th man can easily beat the two top women tennis players by a mile (as happened in the 90s), Wimbledon actually pays the women’s champion more per game (they get paid the same, but play fewer games to get there). John McEnroe was lambasted for not conceding that Venus Williams was ‘the best tennis player ever’, as though this is fair to demand as an opinion anyway. Even Billy Jean King supported him in that.

There’s institutionalised sexism in sport all right… to women’s benefit.

OldGuyWithAttitude · 2024-08-11T17:50:32+00:00

We have funding for a study on why women's uteruses fall out after excercise. We are currently searching for these diabolical escaping uteruses and when they're found rest assured our interrogation techniques are excellent, we will get answers!.

sgt_oddball_17 · 2024-08-11T21:39:09+00:00

I can't. DNA is sexist

DecrepitAbacus · 2024-08-12T08:50:33+00:00

During the late seventies I was involved in programs designed to encourage girls into sport. It was largely promoting track and field and involved talks and active clinics with groups of early secondary school kids. At the same time I was training with some of the strongest women in the world - all throwers like me - including the first to ever bench press 300lb.

The women I trained with, who were not involved in the school stuff, had a lot to say about the attitudes to women in sport. We were still in the era in which it was considered "unladylike". My crew were going a step further by lifting weights and building large musculature. They were throwers for crying out loud. According to my training partners that negative attitude largely came from women whilst men tended to be supportive which they surmised was because "men understand the goal oriented nature of the training".

My couple of years in that place were among the best times of my life and the attitudes of the female athletes in the environment was a huge contributor. The stupid remarks of other women were a moment to moment joke in the gym("She thought telling me I ran like a man was an insult. It's a bloody compliment because men run perfectly"). The funniest part was their female critics would never amount to anything whilst they - the athletes - were traveling the world, going to Olympic and Commonwealth Games AND getting to regularly fraternise with some of the hunkiest blokes on the planet.

W_Smith_19_84 · 2024-08-13T04:30:06+00:00

I mean "uteruses falling out" is obviously nonsense, but it's a known fact that excessive/intense excersize can cause infertility /sterility in women.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/11/091111120257.htm

Current_Finding_4066 · 2024-08-13T05:42:40+00:00

Some of this question are being posted by trolls. It you suspect it, report it, and do not engage with a troll.

Proof_Option1386 · 2024-08-11T17:53:52+00:00

While this doesn't directly address your topic, it is a little adjacent:

It's weird that women have so much trouble giving birth. Other mammals don't. The proximal issue is the relatively enormous size of a fetus' head. But one would think that there would have been plenty of time for women to evolve wider hips to accommodate the head.

Turns out the problem is walking upright. Larger hips would create a bigger chance of the fetus falling out, and it turns out from an evolutionary perspective, this trumps the chance of both mother and fetus dying during delivery.

Presumably it's not a small stretch to assume that if the kid will fall out, all the plumbing might come out, too.

Title	Debunk the "Feminazi" narrative about the supposed existence of inherent "Sexism" against women in sports.
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