Travis Pangburn is against infant circumcision and Ben Shapiro is supporting it. So Pangburn has declared ideological war aginst Ben Shapiro. What are you thoughts on this?

CawlinAlcarz · 2024-11-07T14:23:25+00:00

Well, Shapiro is Jewish, and traditionally Jews have generally regarded circumcision as mandatory (though it's less so today) and while Muslims do not regard circumcision as mandatory, it might as well be also for them.

With that said, all the so-called "medical" reasons for circumcision have been debunked and/or invalidated by the advent of modern plumbing and hygiene.

There are occaional issues that make circumcision necessary, but these are rare occurrences and are not a reasonable justification for doing it universally any more than future complications justify doing appendectomies or tonsilectomies universally.

The REAL reason that the medical community continues to advocate for the universal performance of circumcision is going to be a real shocker... I mean... totally unheard of stuff here... /s

The real reasons is that they make a LOT of money selling foreskins to the cosmetics industry.

Federal-Repair-9635 · 2024-11-07T18:48:37+00:00

Both grow up. Leave your opinions and walk away. They are both overpaid and out of touch.

Angryasfk · 2024-11-08T08:02:40+00:00

Shapiro is a Jew. Of course he supports circumcision. He won’t compel it on non-Jews. But he’ll never accept a legal ban.

I’ve kept labouring the point. Circumcision won’t be banned in any society where Jews and Muslims have any significant political clout. It’s more productive to campaign so that parents do not make such a choice rather than legally ban it.

flashliberty5467 · 2024-11-07T17:18:07+00:00

I have no idea who Travis pangburn is

I do support legislation that outlaws infant circumcision

For those who proclaim we’re attacking parental rights and religious freedom

Oh you mean we support infringing on the parents “right” to mutilate baby boys

Or we support infringing on the “right” of a rabbi or iman pastor or priest to mutilate baby boys genitals

Well we’re guilty as charged

shadowguyver · 2024-11-07T20:28:49+00:00

Shouldn't even be a fucking debate, if the child is healthy leave them the fuck alone.

sgcamp · 2024-11-07T14:59:21+00:00

I think the topic should be apolitical and out of ideology. Insurances need to stop covering therapeutic circumcisions and through generations, it's just going to be the religious minority or the parents who are super motivated to spend out of pocket. Politics isn't going to anything, but needless bureaucracy should discourage it.

Trail_of_Jeers · 2024-11-07T18:35:13+00:00

If you are against the Littlest Chickenhawk, you have my Civility if not my endorsement.

Hiking2954 · 2024-11-07T21:00:31+00:00

Ben is a devout Jewish man.

MannerNo7000 · 2024-11-07T19:34:01+00:00

Ben Shapiro doesn’t care about men.

Roamer56 · 2024-11-08T20:54:54+00:00

Shapiro is a Jew, so of course he won’t deviate from his religious indoctrination.

Circumcision is male genital mutilation and needs to be banned unless medically necessary.

Hawgjaw · 2024-11-08T06:59:46+00:00

Who cares

Capable-Mushroom99 · 2024-11-07T17:47:37+00:00

No idea who he is but if he has a problem with circumcision why doesn’t he go after Muslims instead of Jews? Yeah let’s pick on the much smaller and more persecuted group (and the ones that won’t try to kill him).

Adventurous-Win-9716 · 2024-11-08T02:32:39+00:00

Well if your religion tells you to do so then do it.

Sintar07 · 2024-11-07T14:37:20+00:00

I think this is objectively one of the smallest issues faced by men, and one of the hardest to fight, being culturally and in some places religiously ingrained in society. I think spending time and effort fighting enemies on it is pointless and fighting potential friends on it is a trap.

Speaking as a circumcised man, it simply hasn't effected my life. I've never felt "something is missing" or "violated" or any of the other stuff. It just is and always has been. I'd have been helped far more in my life by fair laws and policing policies, fair hiring, and social or legal clout to wield against women who abused me in the name of the sisterhood, than I'd ever have been helped by having foreskin.

When I've struggled to find a job because I'm not filling a quota, when I've been unfairly disciplined by HR, when I've spent a night in jail because a woman attacked ME, when I've desperately wanted love and family but some feminist that doesn't like me is running a whisper campaign of nasty rumors, locking me out of dating in a fairly large circle...? Foreskin was literally the last thing on my mind.

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