Swiss voters reject mandatory national service for women. While the same for men is ok. Why is this happening?

63daddy · 2025-12-15T19:04:42+00:00

Apparently, the Swiss are gynocentric like most of the rest of the world.

NewMoonlightavenger · 2025-12-15T20:42:27+00:00

Because men don't unite. Society is full of retards who think men need to protect women and that its job to fight.

clownmage · 2025-12-15T18:27:15+00:00

Herd morality, men always accepted and shamed who dont and want it to endure the ones who voted against will need to find a way to bypass it

Codename-18 · 2025-12-15T22:57:07+00:00

Voters = Women + the elderly. It doesn't affect both so that's why

_anticapitalist_ · 2025-12-15T18:33:26+00:00

Young men should get together and protest. They're our future!

Different-Product-91 · 2025-12-15T18:27:39+00:00

Many people (men and women alike) are so brainwashed that they think of conscription as a sort of law of nature and are unable to see that it is the worst of all possible sexisms.

UnableMycologist8849 · 2025-12-15T18:06:26+00:00

It's all fault of two things:

- Conservatives, with mostly blinded sadistic older male followers who cope with their insecurities by practicing toxic masculinity, wanting to see young boys experience their first touch to a military doctor and then suffer a lifelong trauma in the army.

- Feminists, who focus on themselves rather than fighting for any equality. Gender equality is not worth anything to them, and just is a marketing trick.

It has been shown many times that they even celebrate when percentage mark in important positions moves in their favour instead of struggling to keep it at 50%, why should equality happen in this regard too? They are fighting for good lives for themselves, but they don't care it can be at a cost of others.

Democracy is not relevant when fighting for rights of a minority group, in fact it is stupid to begin with that this is the tool used for achieving freedom. It's like having a referendum "Should we kill gays or not?" in Iran. Protests, civil disobedience, even clashes with the police and creating a sense of danger to the ruling part(y/ies) should be our tools in this case. Because if they can hurt and abuse us, it is moral to do our best to hurt them.

gre2704 · 2025-12-16T09:21:52+00:00

Feminist misandry
Conservative gynocentrism
women always voting in their self-interest

keine257 · 2025-12-16T06:07:37+00:00

politicians manupulate this by claiming abolishing male conscription=extreme cost= raising taxes

including women=raising cost =raising taxes so its simply as that politicians threat voters with taxes and cost to maintain the same system.

RyuujinPl · 2025-12-15T22:41:08+00:00

I think a big part of this comes down to how the questions were framed and voted on.

Support for gender equality and support for conscription are two different things. When female conscription is put to a vote on its own, many people who believe in equality but oppose forced service in general will vote “no.” They don’t see extending an unjust system as progress—they’d rather abolish it for everyone.

At the same time, some people view conscription as a necessary evil and support the existing male-only system simply because it already exists, not because they oppose equality.

So you end up with this paradox: - Some gender equality minded people will support both genders conscription - Some gender equality minded people will be against both gender conscription - Both previous cancel out so not-equality minded minority tips the scale in unequal way.

In surveys, when the question is framed more abstractly—like “men and women should have equal responsibilities regarding national service”—support is often very high. But ballot design and political framing matter a lot, and politicians know how to exploit that.

This doesn’t mean male-only conscription isn’t discriminatory—it absolutely is—but referendum results don’t always reflect people’s underlying principles.

Manaheaven · 2025-12-15T21:56:29+00:00

I truly believe there is a generational divide here. Once boomers and Gen x age out the laws will change. Gen z men are red-pilled and won't let this BS continue much longer

apokrif1 · 2025-12-16T06:59:45+00:00

Why did you include a useless fbclid in the URL?

Intelligent_nosch00l · 2025-12-16T09:45:25+00:00

Remember, when you cannot survive with that, then just join them and be a woman. /s²

Affectionate_Truck69 · 2025-12-16T23:09:54+00:00

Thanks for posting. Young Swiss males will have to go on lifting compulsorily their testicles and holding open their bottom cheeks at the command of (mainly female) medical staff during their induction and enforced communal showers and sleeping out in the cold. On pain of imprisonment.

I notice the government using the usual lame excuse of women having the burden of care, including child care, responsibility to argue that it would be unfair to extend conscription to women. Like women are living in the Handmaid's Tale.

I saw a video online of a guy pointing out the unfairness of this system in Switzerland. Attacked in comments mainly by guys as far as I could tell for being "queer" and "soy". Real men it seems bend over and don't complain

_H_a_c_k_e_r_ · 2025-12-15T22:00:30+00:00

I don't feel sorry for liberal men getting cucked.

KochiraJin · 2025-12-16T03:16:12+00:00

One thing to consider is the effects that conscripting women has on the quality of the soldiers. The average man makes a better soldier than the average woman. Conscription is based on a lottery system rather than merit so the average is what you get. That's one of the reasons volunteers make better soldiers, they tend to self select based on their merit. Conscription is one of those areas where practical considerations push for a sexist outcome, just one of many reasons why fully volunteer armed forces are the way to go.

Title	Swiss voters reject mandatory national service for women. While the same for men is ok. Why is this happening?
Author	blackmamba4554
Upvotes	240
Comments	37
Date	December 15, 2025 5:38 PM UTC (7 months ago)
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