Something I've been seeing a lot here are guys who don't have a strong foundation of social skills (e.g., you run out of things to say) who are incorporating push-pull, banter lines, negging, frame control, etc., when interacting with women.

No judgment from me, btw, I started out SUPER fucking awkward with women and had zero social skills so I'm not shitting on any of you. I understand what this feels like more than probably any other coach out there.

But what most new guys don't realize is that techniques like this are AMPLIFIERS:

  • If you're already well adjusted and have decent social skills, techniques make you more attractive or more effective.
  • But if you're socially awkward or run out of things to say, techniques like this make you MORE AWKWARD.

If you're running out of things to say, the best thing you can do is practice CONVERATION SKILLS first (e.g., talk to a ton of people and practice giving opinions, staying present, active listening, conversational thread transitioning, concept association, leading conversations, etc), then incorporate techniques later. Otherwise you're that guy who is practicing his fadeaway 3 point shot when he can't dribble or do layups.

Don't be that guy.

P.S. If you guys want specific help on conversation skills, comment what youre struggling with below and ill help out as much as i can.