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Curious for Perspective on "Complaining" v. "Sharing"

AGirlsJourney

July 20, 2015
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Title Curious for Perspective on "Complaining" v. "Sharing"
Author

AGirlsJourney

Upvotes 9
Comments 33
Date July 20, 2015 1:33 AM UTC
(11 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/RedPillWomen
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/RedPillWomen/comments/3dw8x2/curious_for_perspective_on_complaining_v_sharing/
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[–]cats_or_get_out 4 points5 points6 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Scenario: 1) not a serious (loss of life or limb) accident 2) boyfriend on vacation

Haha I was in this situation. I dinged up one of our cars when my husband was in Iraq (circa 2003).

We didn't have frequent communication (no email, maybe one call every 6 weeks for a few minutes, old fashioned letters). I dealt with the insurance, got the car repaired, etc. I only told him about it after everything was fixed. Reason being? He didn't need any more stress. It was like, hey, just got the car fixed because I got into an accident. Everything's okay.

I have learned to get the sharing/support stuff I need from friends and family when he's gone. A lot of wives bring up stupid shit on the phone during deployments. My husband and I were bewildered about the amount of phone bickering that happens. His advice to the gents? "Don't hang up angry. Hold your tongue. She is surrounded by dick there, many of whom would be happy to console your wife."

I tried to make our phone conversations less business-y and more about us enjoying that moment. Maybe the two scenarios are too drastically different, but I think I would do the same in her scenario.

[–]AGirlsJourney[S] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh wow, I get that thought process. Sounds like you are both on the same page and you know that you can hold down the fort while he's away.

I just don't know her particular thought process, I think she's afraid of bothering him and seeming needy which I think comes from a different place than where you were coming from.

[–]olympiaa 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I would go with option #3. My husband travels frequently for work and if I had a minor accident or problem while he was away, I would wait to tell him until it was solved. He has enough stress from work and I wouldn't want to burden him with more problems he would feel like he had to fix from far away. However, if it was serious or I wasn't able to solve it immediately, then I would absolutely tell him.

This is just from my personal experience and obviously every relationship is different.

[–]AGirlsJourney[S] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Sure, that makes sense. Thanks for answering! Would you reach out to friends / family instead? Or handle it all on your own?

[–]olympiaa 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Honestly I would handle it on my own, if I can. I'm a child of immigrants who don't speak the language well enough here so they wouldn't be able to help me at all and my extended family is an ocean away. Although sometimes I do ask my husband's family for help.

[–]TempestTcup 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

There isn't anything in your description of your friend that isn't RPW approved. He was on vacation and she wasn't hurt; there's plenty of time to tell him when he gets back. I don't understand why you think that, by not spoiling his vacation, she is not being vulnerable. That's a pretty big stretch of imagination on your part.

but as her friend, it makes me a little sad that she doesn't share stuff like this with him

Why is her relationship any of your business? Get your nose out of her relationship; perhaps you should pay more attention to your own.

[–]AGirlsJourney[S] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago* (10 children) | Copy Link

I was just wondering what the take on here was as to what should be shared or not. I may have mixed two points by making the sharing "re: accident" with sharing "in general", as she does not share much of her personal troubles with him.

My nose isn't in their relationship so much as she is my friend and I care for her and want her to be happy. I've never been anything but supportive about her relationship with her. If she is happy with him, that's all that matters to me. I know more than this one post belies, and was using her as an example to raise my bigger question rather than just her relationship specifically. Thanks for your response!

[–]TempestTcup 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

You could have asked the question without delving into the mechanics of her relationship and how "sad" you are about the way she handles her relationship. You are a gossip and you like drama. You wrote two posts about your boyfriend going on vacation with another woman, and now you are writing a post that basically throws your friend under the bus.

Perhaps you should work on your own flaws.

[–]AGirlsJourney[S] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

Fair point re: how I presented the issue. However, you guys are getting a very short paragraph slice of a person I've known for more than seven years. It is interesting to me that it came across as throwing her under the bus - that is a point well taken and good to know as that wasn't how I intended it. I don't think she's doing anything "wrong" by not telling him, if it makes her happy that's great, I just don't know that it does. Also, my "sad" comment wasn't in my initial post as it wasn't relevant, but when I responded to someone I did include it as a more conversational tone.

The issue with the boyfriend / travelling with another woman was resolved in an unexpectedly great way - in part through a friend of his - so sometimes having friends and different perspectives works out.

[–]TempestTcup 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

You could have removed the next to last paragraph and asked the question, but instead you decided to air HER laundry in public. What you thought about her relationship, etc. It could have been an impersonal question, but you made it personal to her.

What would she think if she read this and your comments? I bet she would be hurt and angry.

[–]AGirlsJourney[S] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Ah, got it - I see what you're saying now. I tend to be more conversational online and struggle with how much information is too much / not enough!

[–]TempestTcup 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

You are more than welcome to delve into your own problems, but to talk about your friend's relationship is in very bad form, especially since everything you described in your post sounded RP. In the comments you were trying to find fault with that, too.

You can ask questions, and use other people's situations as an example as long as you stick to the question at hand and you don't dig into their personal business, which is none of your business. Like, "would you do this?" not like "should she have done this? What is wrong with her?"

[–]AGirlsJourney[S] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Sure, she's always been a very supportive / involved friend for me, so I don't want my post to make it seem like she's this terrible person at all. Now that I look back, I do think the two separate issues were confused in my head which is why my post ended up did end being about the two separate things combined - the general perspective and then her specifically.

She's very sweet and thoughtful and selfless and sometimes I just want to check in that she's getting taken care of too by everyone in her life, but yes, that is why she has friends and she can get that from us and if that's what she wants then that is enough and I have to trust that she is doing what needs to be done for her.

I don't think of it as whether something is wrong with her, more as a "is she okay??" - but again, it's good to know that that's how it came across as that was not intended.

[–]TempestTcup 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Even "Is she okay?" is pretty much concern trolling. "I'm concerned about you because you aren't handling your happy relationship exactly the way I would handle it!"

Again, butt out of her relationship; it is none of your business.

[–]AGirlsJourney[S] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

I think here is where we'll just have to disagree, we have a group of a few friends, married, married with kids, single, dating and we all kind of look out for each other and it's a pretty blunt group. Again, I know more about her relationship than I post here, and maybe now I'm the one being " paternalistic". She is the youngest on our group, and this is her first relationship, and she asks us periodically for our perspective because she is unsure of xyz, and perhaps that is what triggers my overarching "is she okay" thought process. I would have no problem pointing her to this post for herself (I know I edited the original post after reading your comment about it being tmi, but even the original post I'd link her to).

I don't really say much to her in terms of "relationship advice" as I leave that more to the happily 20+ years married gals and don't feel qualified. :)

[–]TempestTcup 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The issue with the boyfriend / travelling with another woman was resolved in an unexpectedly great way

That doesn't mean that you didn't bitch about him in the comments. Again, show him your post and all of your comments and see how he reacts. You like to blab about other people; some day your gossiping is going to bite you hard.

[–]AGirlsJourney[S] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

I said it resolved in an unexpectedly great way - I didn't say we were still together. :) Posting here was helpful in that circumstance as it helped identify the issues we were having, which encompassed more than just the trip. Edit - Grammar is terrible.

[–]aZombieKitten 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I would like to remind you that this is your friend's relationship, not yours. They don't seem to have had any problems with her not complaining/sharing bad things with him. Why are you trying to change how she's reacting to and handling the situation (because it sounds like you think she's wrong for not reacting the same way you would to the situation)?

There's not a problem with waiting to share it with him after he gets back from his vacation, and if there is, that's her issue to find out, not you trying to push it on her (because it sounds like you probably will try to show her these comments, since I doubt you're doing this out of your own personal curiosity anyway).

Focus on you and your own relationships, not someone else's. It's not your business.

(Edit: grammar)

[–]AGirlsJourney[S] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

Thanks for your response - I think I may have confused the scope of my post / question as I focused on using her as an example when I was thinking of it from a broader perspective of how much to share in a relationship / what is sharing v. "complaining". :)

She just came to mind since I had received a call from her shortly before I made the post and I thought this instance could be used as an example to help illustrate my broader question.

I'm not trying to change her or how she interacts, she's my friend and I want her to be happy, but she's also a full-grown adult and can handle her own life and relationships, again, I probably should not have used her specifically as an example as that seems to be causing some responses geared toward her specifically.

[–]aZombieKitten 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Ah, I see. Well, aside from the example, then, I think the difference between sharing and complaining really comes from your individual relationship and what is defined as such within it. Mainly, when I think of complaining, I think about someone pushing out mostly negative information all the time.

To some, mentioning a minor wreck (such as in the example) could be seen as complaining, since it wasn't a major deal and there is not much to really report to the SO (such as no injuries). But to others, even a minor wreck is extremely important and needs to be shared immediately with one's SO. Really, the importance is what would cause someone to define a complaint versus information that needs to be shared.

My own example of complaining would be talking about how stressful an upcoming test is and how much I would need to study for it. My SO doesn't really NEED that information, so I consider it complaining as opposed to sharing. But if I were in a wreck, no matter how small, my SO would want to know immediately, even if it was getting in the way of him enjoying a vacation because he finds my safety to be very important.

[–]AGirlsJourney[S] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That makes sense - it's a line to be determined within a relationship / for a person individually.

Test stress is a good example for common complaints, or work stress as well I imagine. Thanks for sharing your perspective!

[–]sugarcrushEndorsed Contributor 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I can't imagine not telling my serious boyfriend I was in an accident. Even if it's minor. In fact, I was in a minor accident when my husband and I were dating, as I was on the way over to visit him. I told him when I got there and cried on his shoulder for a minute since it was my first accident and I was all freaked out.

I would personally find it concerning that she never shares anything negative or cries in front of her boyfriend. I think it's good to be open and vulnerable- see one of the many excellent posts on vulnerability here! Yeah complaining and being overly negative is bad, but hiding the harder stuff in life also kinda seems like lying to me. Feels overly Stepford Wife-y, in the bad, "she's secretly a robot" way.

[–]TheTerrorSquadEndorsed Contributor 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't necessarily find what you're saying wrong but there is a chance that if my h was on holiday and I was fine and nothing more could be done there is every chance I'd wait till he got back to tell him I'd been in an accident.

If, however, I was hurt or there was some other serious ramification I'd feel Id have to tell him.

I think there is room for both outcomes. To tell or not to tell but you're right the withholding of all negative information is telling of someone who finds it hard to trust

[–]AGirlsJourney[S] -1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Thanks for the response. Yeah, it was her first accident too! She was majorly scared, but she wasn't annoying about it and I was happy to support her. I was surprised she had not told her BF as well.

That's a great point about vulnerability, I think that's what was missing in my post - I couldn't figure out why her behavior was a little unsettling to me and I think it's because she's not being vulnerable with him (maybe behind closed doors or in other ways, but to the extent ot my knowledge).

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[–]AGirlsJourney[S] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Ah makes sense. I appreciate the male perspective as I was wondering if a guy would feel "hurt" it wasn't shared with him right then or like something was withheld. Having someone you trust to take care of business is good!

[–]thelotusknyte 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

That's the way I look at it. However, my sister-in-law's boyfriend is such a little bitch (I mean that in the nicest way possible) that he would probably react differently.

Also, if I trusted her to handle it and she screwed it up I wouldn't be happy.

[–]AGirlsJourney[S] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Haha, sure - so basically, every situation is different. :)

[–]thelotusknyte 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She should know her boyfriend though.

[–]RealRational 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

If this is a serious relationship, where you both have mutual goals and are sharing and building a life together, I would expect to be told about this.

If the relationship is at any level under this, very high level, then I wouldn't need to know and would rather just hear about it after the fact. "Oh, so a couple weeks ago I had this minor fender bender and insurance ... blah blah blah".

If you don't bring it up at all and someone else tells me you were in an accident you're going immediately back to plate status. I should never hear about anything meaningful to you from anyone but you.

[–]AGirlsJourney[S] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Thanks for sharing your perspective, you raise some interesting points. I think she'll tell him, just when they're back together in person probably and mention it as an after-the-fact. They're serious in their own way - both have mutual goals, they've met each others' friends, been monogamously together since basically date two, etc.

I'm all for her doing whatever she thinks is best for her relationship, but as her friend, it makes me a little sad that she doesn't share stuff like this with him (whereas she's called 2 friends for support). If they're happy, more power to them.

[–]jasonclews1 points 11 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

I would be concerned if my girl felt she couldn't tell me when shes been in danger. I believe its built in to guys to be protective of their partner and we can feel frustrated & depressed if we can't help so I can understand why she didn't tell him. For me option 2 on your list - I want to know & I want her to be honest if she needs me i'm there, if shes ok then don't test and let me think the worst - games are a quick way to lose a guy.

[–]AGirlsJourney[S] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Interesting, would this answer change depending on the time frame you had been with the girl in question?

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