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63kk job ( 5 min commute) vs ( 72k job ( 45 minute commute )

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March 6, 2019

Hi folks,

Looking for advice here.

Stats M 27 old Lifting 10 years Son ( 2) Salary 63k ( Euros )

I have been offered a new job which is neary an extra 10 grand per year and has better career opportunities than my current company, however it is an extra hours work per day and a extra 1.5 hour commute.

I love my current role and company, it's 37.5 hours per week, the pay is ok and I could get more elsewhere but I value my time and literally zero commute, this allows me to studying in the evenings and pursue my hobbies such as boxing, mma, lifting and cycling.

The new role is more money, company stock and other perks ( most of which I have in my current role except the stock options ) but longer work hours and I would have to rely on public transport. Do you think it's worth leaving a job you like for more money but longer work hours and commute time ?

Interested to hear your thoughts and experience with this type of scenario.

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Title 63kk job ( 5 min commute) vs ( 72k job ( 45 minute commute )
Author CalfsOnDeck
Upvotes 9
Comments 29
Date 06 March 2019 11:16 AM UTC (1 year ago)
Subreddit askMRP
Link https://theredarchive.com/post/220996
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/askMRP/comments/axxpyy/63kk_job_5_min_commute_vs_72k_job_45_minute/
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[–]SBIIIRed Fucking Commando20 points21 points  (3 children) | Copy

I presume that it's 10k per annum before tax which is worth about 5.5k (depending on your tax rate, social insurance, etc). You'll come out with approx 105 euro extra per week.

1 hours extra work per day + 1.5 hours commute = 12.5 hours of your time per week. That's 8 euro 40 cent per hour. You also have to factor in the cost of public transport (which could be more / less than what you currently pay to run your car).

In my opinion - you're giving away too much of your free time for very little reward.

If the prospects of moving up in the company are really good, then I'd consider moving closer to the job and / or seeking a higher starting pay rate.

Edit - you mentioned this in another post..

I am internal but my opportunities are lacking in here and the company who are offering the MDR role are a well known and reputable information security firm who will be offering me a salary that I would not be able to get in my current job even if I stayed here another 5-10 years.

Regardless of your current job offer, you should realise that staying with a firm that has no prospects of increasing your salary by 10k in a 5-10 year period, is pretty pointless.

[–]biggler-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

hey fuck you buddy

[–]gettingmymojobackRed Beret11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy

Time is your most precious resource. You can always make more money, you can never get more time.

Figure out what your free time is worth to you. You’re talking about a roughly $4/hr increase or $32/day before taxes...so $20ish a day take home.

If I asked you to stand in line for me for 80min everyday after work for $20 would you?

There’s your answer.

[–]red-sfpplusHard Core Red5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

IMO: If you are not able to work wearing just your underwear the majority of the time, you have the wrong job.

[–]screechhaterRed Beret4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

You can study and read on the train.

You cannot get those hours back.

If you are in school at night, you need to finish before moving around

[–]EveryGodDamnDay0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Never understood how anyone could study on municipal public transport. Commuter rail, maybe, but local transit just has too much going on.

[–]vivid_mind4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Not worth it as others even showed the numbers. Keep also in mind that company stock is usually a scam. They'll be delaying giving you papers for various reasons until you leave or the rules before you can exercise these will be so strict you won't be able to use them anyway.

Public transport is really shit - you'll get all sort of diseases and stress guaranteed.

[–]UEMcGillI am become McGill, Destroyer of Blue Pill2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Speaking as a father and a leader of my family, you have the duty to show your kids and family you are always striving to be successful. You have the duty to strive for excellence, not average.

How do either of these rolls help you with that?

[–]MrChad_ThundercockBig Red Machine2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Work is just a way to finance YOUR life. If you currently like what you do, don’t change it.

“but longer work hours”

How much longer? You might be making less per hour than you do now. Do the math.

[–]Aswad441 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Grosso modo you will get 188€ per week more for loosing 1.5 hours per day. It worth it?

[–]scitatics1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Move closer to the new job. It seems to have better prospects and more money now

[–]EveryGodDamnDay0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Ditto. At least do the math and see what the move would cost you: financially, both to move and to live in the new location; and otherwise, in lifestyle changes.

[–]weakandsensitive1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

If you're only considering salary and not growth trajectory, you're doing it wrong.

Also - if you're only considering salary and not total comp, you're doing it very wrong.

This is to say that I guarantee you you aren't bright enough to be a thought leader, so go chase that salary.

[–]BarracudaRP0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The answer depends on your mission. That said, it doesn't sound like the new job is worth it at all. To me, the freedom you lose in accepting the new job is not worth it. But there was a time when maybe I would have entertained the idea - but it would be for career opportunities only. That extra 10k a year is not going to be much when you consider the time, inconvenience and costs involved in any commute.

Source: I currently commute an hour because the company I work for is exceptional. Id consider a job for less pay if my commute was 5 minutes.

[–]0io-Tsundere0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Keep the current job. The extra time is more valuable than the extra money. It's not worth it to switch. Wait for a better opportunity.

[–]gameoflibidos0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Do you expect the studying to open up larger career opportunities in the future? Essentially rendering both of the current job options as being lesser than what you expect in the future?

If these jobs are your career and that path isn't likely changing... I would heavily consider the "better career opportunities" portion of this decision. How much better? Are you stuck at your current position with nowhere to climb? You don't want to be stuck with nowhere to go for years, you will look back on those as lost career years. Waiting for someone above you to leave just to move up one spot. That tends to happen in smaller companies, there's nowhere to go and can't move to management unless company grows and hires more people that need managing.

It may be 10k now... but if it has better opportunities if you apply yourself, 5 years down the road it may be a 20 or 30k difference. 10 years down the road it may be a 50 or 60k difference.

It's your MAP... do you want more time/work life balance and less "things" or do you want more money to have nice things and go nice places?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I believe the answer comes down to your mission and priorities. I can't get a feel of what they are from this post and the thread but if maximizing your time is the highest priority then plenty of guys in here have broken down the math.

However, if you look at your longer term growth path then which of these two opportunities provide you room to grow? If growth in one of these roles better aligns to your mission then set that as the focus. /u/SBIII added an 'Edit' to his response regarding a comment you made that your current role does not appear to have a salary growth opportunity. The new role has salary expansion but also consider the skill set growth opportunities of each role.

Personally, I have taken roles where the expected workload was higher, time commitment was higher, and stress was higher for no initial salary increase because of the experience and growth opportunity. Once I got what I wanted from that role I looked to optimize what was important to me (ie., my time and work/life balance) and found ways to reduce my workload and stress.

[–]Bigboost920 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Well, if you run just a $/hr of time committed for the job, the new one provides less money per hour. There are other costs too.

You have to look at it from a total cost versus opportunity cost. I’ve taken positions for less overall compensation, to move to a new area and learn more things (higher up in a smaller company) that will make me more valuable long term.

[–]Redpillbrigade170 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Read your personal Mission statement. How does each job opty align with each sentence in your mission? Score each, tally total and decide on that basis.

Don’t have a clearly written, well thought-out Mission for your life yet? Go spend time to soul search, review all your past decisions, ambitions, desires, sources of satisfaction and fulfillment and put the time to craft a half page Mission for yourself.

You need that solid framework, that guiding light for what you want your whole life to be about. Once you put in the work for it, all such job opty decisions will be easier to make, and your doubts about making the right choice will decrease.

Good luck.

[–]Thor-Loki-10 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I'm sure the extra effort isn't worth it. No worries.

I have been offered a new job which is nearly an extra 10 grand per year and has better career opportunities than my current company...

[–]Kpwn880 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

an extra 10 grand per year and has better career opportunities

What type of role model do you want to be for your son?

[–]gettingmymojobackRed Beret2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Speaking from my own past mistakes only, there is nothing more important than time spent with your loved ones, especially children when they are young.

I fell into the career trap, always chasing the next rung on the ladder, always hunting for more, more money, more things. Ended up working 60-70 hour weeks for almost a decade.

I can NEVER get back that time.

As part of my MAP, I started prioritizing the things that truly matter. I have a 5 year plan to get those hours down to 40/week with not a minute more spent at work. I’m exactly halfway there 2 1/2 years in.

Eventually you realize that more money and career opportunities aren’t worth it past a certain point if it means being a stranger to your own family.

What kind of role model was I for my kids? What did I really teach them? That chasing money and nice things was more important than spending time with them.

That is a shitty fucking role model and I would give anything to go back and change that mistake.....

Some of us have fucked up along the way. Learn from our mistakes. Balance is EVERYTHING.

[–]Kpwn880 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Fair enough, but we don't know his whole situation. I'm currently putting in 50-60 hour weeks in to get myself to a point I can comfortably dial it back to 40 and stay there. It's going to take a few years, but it has nothing to do with "nice stuff". It has everything to do with financial security.

[–]adeptintact0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

10k isn't much more and it isn't worth it. If we were talking 30k or more than it would have been worthwhile.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I would need more than 10K before tax to travel 1.5 more hours a day AND be expected to work longer hours. Its either a lot of mileage/gas and repairs on your car, or dealing with some weird ass people for 45 minutes on public transport. I do enjoy reading on the subway but wouldn't change jobs for more reading time.

You really need to analyze if this new job truly provides more opportunity. I've heard that in every interview i've been on and it never comes true. The bosses never leave and you have to play politics to get the right promotions.

You could use this opportunity to try for a mid-year raise. Tell your manager you have a new opportunity paying more that fell on your lap but you would rather stay and want to know if the company has any options in a mid-year raise.

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[–]jimjames19670 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Why don't you make a list of pros and cons and make up your own mind about YOUR life instead of asking internet strangers?

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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