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Husband tries to open up to wife about past grief; "gross, keep it to yourself". Oh, she was cheating too

nem2k

June 5, 2014
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Title Husband tries to open up to wife about past grief; "gross, keep it to yourself". Oh, she was cheating too
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nem2k

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Date June 5, 2014 3:54 AM UTC
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[–]kempff 46 points47 points48 points 12 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

For the record, my ex-wife and I were finally divorced a few months ago. We separated back in August because she just wasn't happy with our life together. Honestly, neither was I. Our relationship was based on physical attraction and communication wasn't ever there. I opened up to her about this because I needed someone when I was ready to face my past, but the reaction I got let me know she wasn't that person and set my progress back almost entirely. I wanted us to get help as a couple, and we reconciled for a couple months, but she was cheating on me with a number of other people. Something I had been suspicious about for almost our entire relationship, but never had proof of until the end when she had no reason to be careful about getting caught.

Wow. And people think gay marriage is ruining the institution.

[–]1iluminatiNYC 4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah. Homegirl needs some revolutionary justice enacted for that BS. The phrase "what a bitch" doesn't seem to cover what happened here.

[+][deleted] -8 points-7 points-6 points 12 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Marriage has been on a downhill slide for quite some time. The divorce rate is sky high. A small minority saves themselves for marriage. A lot of marriages are because of pregnancies. Affairs are out of control, the concept of honor is fading. Now gay marriage.

You can't tell me as perverted as gay men are that they won't have high divorce rates.

Sorry if I was offensive here

[–]variableLt 7 points8 points9 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Why are gay man perverted in any way? Two adult people having consensual sex relationship is just as normal as it goes.

[–]iamkarnath -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Because Buttsex. That makes me a straight pervert. Excellent.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

All the gay men I know are in monogamous relationships. Even if they weren't and spinning plates, as said around here, that's no different.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say.

[–]opencover 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

But lesbians cannot maintain stable relationships for any length of time and they often degenerate into violence.

So, which sex is blowing up relationships? Females.

[–]chakravanti93 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That's not true. Lesbians can maintain stable relationships. If not moreso than male/female and male/male relationships. The math is good for it because promiscuity is non-threatening as they have to sync hypergamy instead of competeing with it. The math the works is their equally declining value or wisdom imparted by the elder.

Moreso in the absence of social moors against them whcih are concoction of reactionary society that waxes and wanes from time to time as it infringes upon the stability of society via its demands within such.

[–]boredinclass2 4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

fuck the down votes. I understand what you are saying.

[–]gprime312 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Here's a hint: the ones getting married have no other reason to besides love. There's no such thing as a gay gold digger.

[–]ibuprofiend 61 points62 points63 points 12 years ago (39 children) | Copy Link

I actually commented on this earlier saying that you shouldn't share your emotions with a GF because women don't want to see weakness in a potential mate. That comment has like -11 karma right now.

Gotta love mainstream Reddit.

[–]Endorsed ContributorFLFTW16 54 points55 points56 points 12 years ago (24 children) | Copy Link

DO share your happiness, confidence, and optimism.

DO NOT share your doubts, fears, or insecurities.

[–]CaballeroRojo 6 points7 points8 points 12 years ago (22 children) | Copy Link

Unless it's serious shit as being molested. Most women would not react like this. She was a huge whore read the whole thing she used him from day 1 and saw nothing in him other than dollar signs

[–]Endorsed ContributorFLFTW16 39 points40 points41 points 12 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

I used to agree with that sentiment--that you should share serious stuff. After watching A Century of Fatherhood I have concluded that a man should only share a brief outline of his troubles.

If you watch that excellent documentary you will learn many many things. One thing I learned was that in every modern war when the men return home they receive next to ZERO emotional support from their women. They are expected to go back to work and readjust to society and family life with little problem. The reason why so many men of that era were so tight lipped about their wartime experiences isn't because they wanted to be tough and mysterious. They needed more than anything to share and talk about the horrors of modern combat and sort out their shattered emotions. The reason why they didn't share the details is because women aren't supportive. They never have been and they never will be. The men that shared too much would be viewed as weak or broken or fragile and the wives would be dissatisfied and get divorced. Men who couldn't simply readjust to life or go back to factory work were divorced by their wives.

There is oodles of RP theory in these doc's. I meant to do a full post analysis but I simply don't have time. I will just say that--in line with your example--a man could tell his SO that when he was younger he was molested, but now he's over it and healed, or is dealing with it on his own, and it doesn't effect his relationships with women. In the same way, veterans can tell their SO's "I fought in the war" but giving details about what happened to you and how it fucked you up will only harm your relationship. Save that shit for your male friends who are also combat veterans or your therapist. Your girlfriend or wife is INCAPABLE of being your therapist or emotional crutch.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 6 points7 points8 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What a beautiful documentary, it is great to see my ancestor countrymen in such a manner, thanks for sharing.

[–]CaballeroRojo 11 points12 points13 points 12 years ago* (8 children) | Copy Link

Hey I totally agree! War is not the same as molestation though. I can and could get past it. It is nowhere near as traumatic as war, which is an awful thing that fuck you up for life. You can't blame anyone for not wanting to spend the rest of their lives with someone who has serious permanent trauma.

When I approached my wife with the matter (I was molested too and didn't know til I was 24 and started having flashback after flashback on my drive back home from work) didn't lean all my weight on her. I asked her to help me lift that weight. There is a difference. Also I didn't cry or ask for hugs and shit. I actually just communicated what happened on my way home and ask for her opinion on how to deal with it, which was all I needed for I am not a pussy. When she asked me about my feelings I was honest but made it clear I had it under control.

When I say it fucked with my mind I don't mean I skipped work for a week and cried myself to sleep. I mean it fucked with my reactions. I had mood swings and nightmares and flashbacks. But at not time did I whine. My wife understood why I was behaving this way and acted accordingly.

In other words I didn't really show weakness, only a problem I could solve by myself but any help was appreciated. It devastated me but my wife did not see a man beat down but rather a man willingly fighting with his emotion to go back to normal ASAP and without me directly asking for comfort she still delivered.

So you're partially right. You can indeed share serious stuff but never, not even then in your time of weakness, lose frame. Frame is everything.

[–]TehFuggernaut 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm with you on this - frame is everything. If you bring up some insecurities, its usually best to have it as a conversation. Let the girl bring it up, you just say 'yes I worry about that too,' etc. Don't go in depth about your problems - no one cares, and neither should you. Be cool, calm, calculated.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Wow, that was an excellent post. I've been working on the right way to address and deal with emotional stuff in a masculine way for a while now and you did a very good job of describing that in a way that makes sense and is healthy.

I really wonder why this sort of information has been so hard to find? Thinking of the people I've encountered over the years it seems like some guys understand this, but aren't willing to discuss it, and tons of people just preach advice that doesn't line up with reality or even their own actions. IDK maybe I've just always been around clueless people?

[–]boredinclass2 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

I have no idea why you got down voted. That was a good read.

[–]CaballeroRojo 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Because when a sub grows the idiots start coming in. This sub reddit is now a circlejerk about the evil women's. If you point out women are not evil they'll call you a clueless fag even though clearly most guys here are butthurt betas.

[–]boredinclass2 -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Well there is a natural process (like dealing with trama) that goes along with the sub. Ive never blamed angry or depressed posters. It's all part of a natural aging process as you continue reading the sub towards acceptance. I've been reading since December, and it has absolutely changed my life for the better. At this moment I am happier than I ever have been before in my life.

[–][deleted] 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

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[–]boredinclass2 -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Well they are out, and downvoting. lol

[–]throwsefvanthrowster 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I have to slightly disagree with you. Though I think this is correct for the majority of women, I've noticed that women who have grown up with brothers really are more supportive. I haven't given time to consider as to why, but I'm sure living in such close quarters to men, through almost every stage of their development, leads them to see and consider some things men and boys go through. I think this might allow them to be more sympathetic. Just how sympathetic, I'm not really sure, and in both of my experiences, my SMV was higher than theirs, so that may have had an impact.

[–]enticingasthatmaybe 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

Unless it's serious shit as being molested.

No! Do not share anything that may have any affect on your emotional strength. Even after an adult has moved passed the pain and feels 'healed', being molested still leaves weak points in your emotional armor that never really get repaired.

This is something she will not abide.

[–]CaballeroRojo 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

Already done it. Wife was supportive. I wasn't a pussy about it. Nothing changed. Same loving wife. Same quality sex.

[–]enticingasthatmaybe 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Your multiple posts show just how full of shit you truly are, so I am now disengaging with and reporting the troll.

[–]CaballeroRojo 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

How exactly am I full of shit? I am a man with a good wife and you guys are hating lol Maybe if I told you good marriage is done with a submissive young virgin you'd believe me. Then again you don't know the kind because 'MURICA FEMINISM!

[–]enticingasthatmaybe 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

You are building strawmen (Maybe if I told you good marriage is done with a submissive young virgin you'd believe me.) ('MURICA FEMINISM!). You are constructing a version of your opponent's argument that you believe you can successfully defeat.

You're attacking with ad hominem (for I am not a pussy). You proclaim yourself to "not be a pussy" therefore you can dismiss anyone else's experiences because well 'they should have been less of a pussy'. Attacking your opponent's masculinity does not win you an argument. It's an irrational shame tactic whose primary goal is to shut down discourse.

If you are as boss as you proclaim then sir, you are not our target audience. I'm glad you could do it, but it is extremely hard to open up to your woman about something as traumatic as childhood molestation and be boss about it. The best bet lies with simply never getting into with her.

Unlike you, most victims of molestation remember every agonizing moment it was occurring. I'm guessing yours was something like a weird uncle grabbing your little boy dick once on a fishing trip.

Sometimes being told you are wrong or delusional can be misinterpreted as "hating".

[–]CaballeroRojo 3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link

You are building strawmen (Maybe if I told you good marriage is done with a submissive young virgin you'd believe me.) ('MURICA FEMINISM!). You are constructing a version of your opponent's argument that you believe you can successfully defeat.

I am not constructing anything. You made it very clear you believe all women can be cunts like OP. I told you otherwise and gave you possible reasons why you think this way. But I was wrong, for I just found a comment where you share your sad love story. No wonder you're butthurt and bitter. What did you do to fuck it up? Be honest with yourself. No woman leaves a good alpha husband for no reason. Were you beta?

Unlike you, most victims of molestation remember every agonizing moment it was occurring. I'm guessing yours was something like a weird uncle grabbing your little boy dick once on a fishing trip.

It was on more than one occasion and a little more than that. I didn't get raped so that's why I could talk about with my wife. I never said share everything with your wife. If it's a real scarring experience and not just something that really really pisses you off (as it was in my case), then get a shrink for your wife is not qualified to help you. If its something silly then keep your mouth shut, that will be seen as weakness no matter how much she loves you. But if its a REAL problem she can help you with by simply listening? Why not? Why you married then?

Sometimes being told you are wrong or delusional can be misinterpreted as "hating"

So I have a supportive wife who loves me and finds me sexually attractive. She is real. I sleep with her every night. We have 4 children together. 5 years into marriage I keep her coming back for more by never stop being alpha. You call me delusional, I tell you I'm not. You insist. I tell you you must be jelly (and you certainly are since you got dumped "for no reason"). I don't see how I'm the one who's wrong.

Hey here's a little exercise for you: next time you're married (lol) and have something you need to get out of your system, do so with your wife and at the end tell her "I just needed to get this out of my system, nothing to worry about. Everything is under control" and give her a big wet kiss and say "Thanks for listening" she will melt... If your SMV is high in her eyes and you are alpha in every part of the relationship including knowing how to deliver a line without sounding dorky or needy.

[–]enticingasthatmaybe -4 points-3 points-2 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Go back to blue pill little boy

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Much like how investor relations don't go out of their way to tell shareholders that their investment is crumbling, you shouldn't go out of your way to point out your weaknesses to your LTR, married or not.

[–][deleted] 12 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

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[–]stupid_fucking_name 10 points11 points12 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That's what friends are for.

[–]opgrop 8 points9 points10 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Male friends...

[–]opencover 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If you have health insurance (and with Obamacare I guess everyone is supposed to) go to a psychologist.

Seriously. Pay a few copays and unload your shit.

[–]1whatsazipper 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Don't vent to the women you're fucking. None of that emotional BS. Women want strong men who can endure through the worst of shit.

If you approach them with a problem, only do so because you came up with a good solution as well.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Nah man ofc, but I ment say in a few years when I get a gf and Im feeling down I wanna be able to talk to my gf about it.

[–]1whatsazipper -2 points-1 points0 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Talk to your friends about it. One of the worst things you can do is 'open up' to a girl you're fucking. It kills sexual attraction, no matter how much we want it not to.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I guess you're right man, kinda glad I'm not one of them "sensitive" types, I rarely feel like a downer anyways, and sice I took the pill I'm even more "whatever" so all is good.

[–]iamkarnath 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If you express fear, they won't come near.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I remember another thread where that comment got thousands of upvotes.

[–]En-Sigma 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Wife neither. Is it less of an issue when she has years, treasure, and children invested? yes. BUUUT wives don't want to see too much weakness in their man and if you show it much at all, you will spend weeks recovering from it. Lackluster interest IN ALL AREAS, less of your favorite meals, more expectation of chore-sharing, etc. You will spend weeks recovering.

[–]iamkarnath 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Exactly. If you want to express fear or insecurity, do it with someone else. I found Mankind Project to be helpful with this.

[–]16 TRP VanguardTRPsubmitter 22 points23 points24 points 12 years ago (19 children) | Copy Link

I want to address the reaction/aftermath, since we already know that women are not attracted to vulnerable and weak men:

Don't get caught in the cycle this guy is in. He believes "oh gee golly! I just didn't pick the right woman!". "My soulmate is still out there!"

It's the same line that shamers take when they find out you spin plates: they say "well of course they act that way! You're not meeting the quality girls! You need to spend more effort! NAWALT!"

Believing that there's some "perfect" fit out there for you implies that you (or anyone) doesn't have to change or improve their life/game/body to be sexually successful. This guy could have still been happily married if he just STFU and wasn't weak.

[–]enticingasthatmaybe 10 points11 points12 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Don't get caught in the cycle this guy is in. He believes "oh gee golly! I just didn't pick the right woman!". "My soulmate is still out there!"

I married a virgin catholic half cuban/cajun when she was twenty (I met her when she was 18 and, so far as I am still aware, secured the v-card 3 months later). A sweet southern girl from a whole family. Her father was of mediocre strength - he could control the mother for the most part, and they had a good relationship. She had a huge extended family that she interacted with very often and a not-modest amount of real girlfriends without the first inkling of a guy friend who 'doesn't think of me like that'.

She had fantastic feminine qualities; long hair, amazing thin body with actual female curves. She was half Spanish and it showed. Objectively, she was the highest caliber of female one could hope to ever 'pick'. My 'picker' was functioning at a supernatural capacity. It did its job with outstanding results.

7.5 years later my little sister died from a drug overdose. 3 weeks after that, this outstanding human being I chose to spend my life with walked out of our marriage without citing even one tangible reason. Only saying that she was unhappy. This was 4 days before the One-year birthday party we had planned for our little girl. She still had the party, but I didn't go. Waking up and facing the world was somewhat hard to do after those two traumas.

That was almost 8 years ago, and I have been waging a full on defensive war to be a part of my child's life every single day of that time. We've been to court dozens of times, and paid lawyers 10's of thousands of dollars all so she could have her new life without me as a fly in the ointment.

Choose better women

Is an irrational shame tactic meant to, of course, remove the consequences of a woman's bad behavior.

[–]opencover 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Sad but very credible. My best wishes to you and your daughter.

[–]variableLt 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I was always expecting to find a partner that I will share my everything with in order for us two to achieve our personal and shared goals. In the process we would have a children that would blossom in the light of your love and become even stronger versions of both of us. Now, in my 30s, I can flush that shit down the toilet.

There can be only one captain and others can tag along. I must create my own mission, goals and wars and stomp others in my way, that I will, if I like them, fuck in their holes later on. Maybe they will bear me kid or two, which I will also have to kidnap from them in order to avoid them becoming entitled idiots majority of kids turn into nowadays.

Men are always on their own. Sad reality we live in.

[–]Glenbert 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Men have always been on their own. It's just that many of us just woke up to that. It's reality, but it's neither happy nor sad.

[–]theozoph 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This guy could have still been happily married if he just STFU and wasn't weak.

The woman was a sociopath. The complete lack of affect should be a huge fucking red flag. He might've stayed married, but happily?

This is the most stupid thing I've ever seen a "TRP Endorsed" submitter ever say.

Strong or weak, any man who stays with such a low-quality woman is nothing but a chump.

- "You know honey, I was abused by [insert relative] when I was a kid, and it really fucked with me for a while, but eventually I realized I couldn't let it define me and got over it."

- "This is gross. You should keep such stuff to yourself."

- "..." => NUCLEAR DUMP

[–]gprime312 -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

He did remarry and now he's with a woman that understands his issues. Not every woman will drop a guy because he shows some weakness.

[–]zpatriarchy -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

nawalt? wrong, AWALT

[–]gprime312 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I said some. There's varying levels of cuntiness.

[–]Glenbert 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

While all women are hypergamous, some express it in different, cuntier ways than others. That's what I think he was trying to say.

[+]CaballeroRojo -10 points-9 points-8 points 12 years ago* (9 children) | Copy Link

NAWALT indeed. A good companion will hear your problems and support you (unless you're a whiny little bitch) . Being a woman does not equal being a horrible person. If she is attracted to you and in love (when the woman acts like a beta male) and she should very well be if you decided to marry her, then sharing an experience you need support with will not trigger this reaction. AWALT applies sometimes; this is not one of those times. If you have proven you can deal with your shit time and time again in marriage when you come to your wife for emotional help not only will she help you but do so like she hasn't done for anyone before. After all, if her big man who can deal with life and relationships like a boss is seeking emotional support, shit must be real.

[–]boredinclass2 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Not all women are like that, but all women are like that sometimes?

[–]CaballeroRojo -3 points-2 points-1 points 12 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

All women are like that and all women are the same are two different things. Women can all be like that in certain aspects. In other aspects, not all women are like that. Let me change women for men to you understand:

All men want pussy: AMALT

All men are rapists: NAMALT

I hope that makes more sense

[–]boredinclass2 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

It is, but I think the criticism you are receiving, is due to what you said about AWALT but not in this sense. I dont think a lot of us agree. All women have the capability to become that monster that was linked from the AdviceAnimals sub. Why? because if you need so much support from your wife that she supports you more than you support her, it is a recipe for disaster and your SMV decreases significantly. What happens next is that the woman will do what ALL women would do--swing to the next branch.

I cant say for certain in this case, (I dont want to victim blame here just being rational) but it seems like he was a Beta Bucks and she knew it. She became attracted, cold and started sleeping around. ALL women can and will do that given the circumstances. That's the key to take away, not that all women are evil, but that no unicorns truly exist.

[–]CaballeroRojo -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

Why are you making the assumption that needing help finally dealing with a traumatic event makes you weak? We're not talking about a little boo-boo here. Why are you also making the assumption that a man like that necessarily needs more support from her than he gives her?

You SMV does not decrease nearly as easily with a wife as it does with a girlfriend. If she's your wife and your not a beta bucks she knows you well enough to marry you with good intentions and things like this won't have an effect for you have proven to be a worthy mate long ago.

But then you hit the nail in the head! She reacted this way because in his eyes he wasn't alpha from the beginning. He was beta bucks and you're damn right she very well knew it. You are kind saying what I am: if your wife reacts this way then you are partially to blame. What have you done to make her look at you as less and not take your very serious problems seriously? Well in this case: beta bucks and cuckoldry

[–]boredinclass2 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Why are you making the assumption that needing help finally dealing with a traumatic event makes you weak? We're not talking about a little boo-boo here. Why are you also making the assumption that a man like that necessarily needs more support from her than he gives her?

I said "I cant make the assumption", but there are numerous examples of this happening and it's usually the guy, acting like a BP dude, that turns the woman into a branch swinger.

You SMV does not decrease nearly as easily with a wife as it does with a girlfriend.

Ok, first off, nothing changes because you walk down an isle--except some tax breaks and sharing all of your shit. So I disagree with this first, second from the rest of what you said, it appears you think of that fairy tail romance that every woman marries with the best of intentions (and sharing yours)--which, as far as TRP is concerned, cant be farther from the truth.

Your third paragraph i have no qualms with :) Ive been posting here for quite a while and love having these discussions, it makes all of us better, BUT for anyone reading this, read the side bar material before you read any posts, they will help you a million times more than the user content

[–]CaballeroRojo -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You say not all women marry with good intentions. This is important. You are right. But if you are a well put man you will know her intentions. If you marry a used woman then you are an idiot. Marriage done right is taking a young girl, preferably between 18-21, and making fall for you. Women want commitment, provision and alpha. Do you agree? If yes, then what on earth makes you think you can't give her all three things? She won the lottery! A good wiser older gentleman (I'm 7 years older than my wife) with good social skills, provider and also sexually attractive?

I think this is the point you guys are missing. I'm talking about being open in a good marriage I didn't think it was necessary to point out a good marriage is done with a virgin and submissive woman with traditional values still implanted in her mind. I understand this women are very very few in USA but like I pointed out earlier (I've been having this discussion with 4 people so maybe not to you) not all women are feminized Americans!

If you find a good wife as described (not too hard if you know where to look) and treat her right (in TRP sense) she will be all yours and only yours and she will love you in good and bad I guarantee it.

[–]enticingasthatmaybe 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

If she is attracted to you

Women are attracted to strong men. Men who do not have obvious problems and do not need her support.

Your entire rant is the cyclical argument /u/TRPsubmitter is warning guys to avoid.

[–]CaballeroRojo 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Have you ever loved and been loved? Clearly not. If a woman marries you for your alpha traits and not to get into your bank account, then you have nothing to fear. As long as you're not a pussy about it she will be there for you. I feel very sorry for this man and everyone who went through something similar but hey that's what happens when you use your wallet to woo women.

[–]enticingasthatmaybe 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Don't be a pussy

Man up

Excellent advise, bro. I want to be like you when I grow up.

[–]1iluminatiNYC 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Well, dude needs to look at the bright side. At least his issues weren't used against him. Repeatedly.

[–]CaballeroRojo 14 points15 points16 points 12 years ago* (49 children) | Copy Link

Listen, listen well: NAWALT. What happened here is clear as water: she never loved him or even found him attractive. She used him from day 1. Some women will rationalize marrying a beta, others will knowingly do it and exploit it. She was the latter. He mentioned she cheated on him with many other people, something he'd been suspicious of during the entirety of their relationship. This should tell you a lot about the dynamics of this "couple".

I say this to you because there are SO MANY of you younger men or ex-betas who "took the red pill" and now think all women are evil. They are not. AWALT holds true in biomechanics and actions triggered by them. Being a complete cunt to who is supposed to be the love of your life is not biomechanics. It is being a cunt. If anything, biology makes women great caregivers.

The lesson here is not don't marry AWALT lulz The lesson here is do not marry a woman who doesn't love you. You, as an alpha, can make your woman truly fall for you. You know a woman loves you when she is the beta in the relationship. She cooks, cleans, washes and sucks dick for you and only you and is well aware of your SMV and knows other women want you. Any young lady who has not yet been brainwashed by guuurrll poweeer YOLO can be turned into the perfect wife. I should know, have been happily married 5 years.

I was also in that same situation quite recently actually. On my drive home back from work I had horrible flashbacks and by the end of the drive I could clearly see the whole thing: my uncle, who at the time was a good friend (we're only 9 years apart) made me touch his dick and tell him how big it was and then made out with me when I was around 6 or so. I had to tell somebody it was just too much and all of a sudden to simply "be alpha" and keep it to myself. My wife was the first person I told and at first she thought I was messing with her (like I said my uncle and I were good friends he dropped by regularly. I am godfather to one of his kids ffs) but then she realized it was true and was AMAZINGLY supportive until I got back up on my feet (this is the man who taught me how to get laid goddammit it. A freaking older brother I never had kind of thing. You're damn right it fucked with my mind) So fuck anybody who thinks my wife, who supported me through 6 months of unemployment (unrelated to molestation), never even suggested having a girls night out, who gives me the greatest love-making sessions, who cooks like a goddess, who keeps the house clean, who stayed just as beautiful as day one and is carrying my offspring is or can be like this awful person.

I'm not saying my wife is a snowflake (close enough to marry though!). Unicorns don't exist blah blah. I agree with this red pill fact. But by no means are all women lying whores. They will ALL lie and use betas, but not to the same degree. They are not all such big selfish whores as this one. There are various types in which AWALT manifests. Different levels of biomechanics into play. Not every woman wants to ride cock until they hit the wall and then marry a chump, cheat on him and divorce him. Women who do this are broken. Most will marry and remain loyal and servicing (is that the word in English?) to the right man: the man who knows how to tame a mare well enough so she'll only let him ride her.

Think about it: the man in the reddit log was a complete clueless moron. He missed all the signs and men so clueless are usually also completely lacking frame. He was probably a whiny little batch with no self respect who settled for the first where that came his way. He must also be well off financially. What kind of women do you think this type attracts? You guessed right. If you are a good man with a spine, work ethics, ethics in general and a good leader it will take a really, really HUGE slut to do you wrong. It can happen but planets have to align and shit. Most definitely not the norm. Women do want to marry but only the right men. The machos of the past are long gone so poor women (yes poor women) have to settle for tiny dick lovers instead and shit hits the fan.

Women are only capable of loving one man at the time. If she loves you, you are safe. If she cheats, she doesn't love you anymore and YOU had something to do with that changing. This is the truth you like it or not. Do not make the mistake of thinking wedding cake is an eternal aphrodisiac. I don't care if you've been married 30 years if you neglect your woman she will sleep around.

[–]yummyluckycharms 7 points8 points9 points 12 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

What kind of women do you think this type attracts? You guessed right. If you are a good man with a spine, work ethics, ethics in general and a good leader it will take a really, really HUGE slut to do you wrong

No - none of these correlate to if a woman will cheat on you.

In regards to work ethics - many men work hard all day only to find out that the woman they were working hard for got bored and fucked someone behind their back. Ethics and by association, morals, can you get fucked over so fast your head will spin. White knighting by itself will never get you pussy. And nor will being a good leader spare you either - many ceo's, politicians etc have cheating mates and are taken to the cleaners by the divorce courts.

The only thing that prevents a woman from wandering is hypergamy - but there is a catch. When a woman dates an elite, they also meet that guys friends. Its like hitting nirvana for these women - unrestricted access to the top 10% of males - and its amazing to hear about how fast bedroom bingo happens at that level. Case in point, English nobility and politicians (the upper class) would routinely cheat on each other within the same pool of partners during the victorian period, and often during the same weekend while staying in the manor house

[–]CaballeroRojo -3 points-2 points-1 points 12 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

You are simply inexperienced. Work ethics and ethics and your whole being matters in marriage. You are mixing bar game with marriage game. You don't treat your wife as a bar whore you wanna bed. Your jerkboy charisma is for when you're single. You don't apply negs and all this shit that only works on sluts. If you are American I understand why you think all women are sluts and I feel sorry about for you.

About her gaining access to an alpha herd. You need to be a special kind of idiot to introduce your wife to men more attractive than you. You are also an idiot for having friends who will fuck your wife without second thought. Men, unlike women, have a much better sense of honor. Do not be friends with a lesser man who only cares about his dick. Also, when you are married you seek married couples, not single dudes. As I said, you are inexperience and think married life is the same as single life when one of your Bros will fuck your 1 month gf.

[–]yummyluckycharms 3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

First of all, I never mentioned negs, bar games, or any other such thing. Your post reeks of hurt pride and defensiveness, which really shows that you need to incorporate more TRP lessons within yourself as you're taking criticism as an attack upon yourself.

More importantly, your post is confusing and illogical. On the one hand, you say that not all women are lying whores, and then you say that men have an inante superior sense of honour? Newsflash - morality is not coded by gender. Both men and women operate and act according to their own self interest. Then you stress the importance of being socially aware, but then mention that you should never introduce your wife to men of higher quality than you. So what - are you saying that you should only introduce your wife to half of your friends? You are the average of your friends remember....

As someone who is probably far older than the average reddit user, and having been married myself, what I said comes from decades of experience. I can tell from your posts that you are still learning and are struggling to incorporate the lessons that TRP can teach you. Please avail yourself to the links on the sidebar....

[–]CaballeroRojo -2 points-1 points0 points 12 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

If you think your "friends" really are friends, you are lying about your age or doing it wronf. I don't bring just anybody into my home. Only brothers from other mothers as you Yankees say. The guys I play footie with I don't bring home. I don't even hang out with them. No time. Grown ups with families have very busy schedules. My real friends wouldn't dare treat my wife as a single woman. They treat her as their friends wife, something you don't yet grasp since your "friends" (the people you party with) will indeed hit on your girfriend.

I am somewhat on the defensive because people are calling me names for disagreeing. I think this proves how bitter and angry some people here can be.

It's not either honorable lady or whore. There's in between. I said men had better sense of honor, not that women completely lack it. Your problem is dealing in absolutes.

[–]yummyluckycharms 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

I've noticed that your illiterate....as you keep referring to things that I never mentioned or discussed. I've also noticed that you're using a throwaway.

You're on the defensive because your acting like a troll. A childish one at that.

[–]CaballeroRojo -3 points-2 points-1 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I speak 3 languages English not being my mother tongue. How many do you speak Mr Literate? This is not a throw away. I've been here since before it was college kids repeating mantras. You lose your virginity and suddenly all you read on TRP you repeat lol

[–]theozoph 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This whole thread is bullshit, I agree with you. I can't believe those idiots can't see the woman in OP's submission is a huge sociopath, or that they really think you need to keep women at arms' length all the time.

Fucking virgin blowhards.

[–]yummyluckycharms 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Buddy - you barely have any posts. If you've been here since before the mass of "college kids" joined, where are they?

Troll, troll, troll.

[–]CaballeroRojo 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I lurked

[–]TRP VanguardCyralea 8 points9 points10 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

You've completely come to the wrong conclusion based on your experience. The only reason your wife was supportive was because your SMV was high enough to take the blow to it. Showing weakness is always a negative with respect to your SMV, but it's sometimes not enough to cause her to lose her entire attraction to you. The same way that losing $10,000 is crippling for some, but not for those with lots of money.

There's no benefit to showing weakness. Even if you can get away with it, it's an unnecessary risk. AWALT.

[–]CaballeroRojo 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

Of course your SMV has to do with it. No man should consider marriage until he is comfortable with his SMV (job, assets, social skills, appearance) If your SMV is low you will be seen as beta and a beta showing emotion is seen as weakness.

On the other hand, an alpha showing emotion is not seen as weakness. It is actually good for you! She needs you to show her that you are not a psychopath. Showing your emotional side can play in your favor. Trusting your wife enough to know you can count on her on tough times is good. She will appreciate it.

I find a good method is keeping it short and precise and saying at the end "I just needed to get this out of my system, you've nothing to worry about. Everything is under control" and giving her a big wet kiss and say "Thanks for listening" She, being a woman, will not let it go and will try to fix you. But she won't be verbal about it because by now she should be well trained on how to communicate with you.

Does this sound corny as fuck? Gay? Effeminate? It kinda is, but a woman who loves you will not react negatively to it. This is exactly my point. If you SMV is in check and your wife sees you as both the provider and romantic in her life then she belongs to you. Do with her as you please, but don't abuse your power.

PS: Do not pull this on girlfriends or plates no matter how confortable you are with your SMV

[–]TRP VanguardCyralea 4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It is actually good for you!

Disagree. She will be responsive and nurturing, but only because of her existing attraction. She will not become more attracted to you. Weakness is an insidious seed that once planted in her mind grows to cause her doubt in you and your strength.

"I just needed to get this out of my system, you've nothing to worry about. Everything is under control" and giving her a big wet kiss and say "Thanks for listening"

That's closer to the "Don't show weakness" side of the spectrum. "Don't worry, I've got it under control" shows you're not going to fall apart even when you're under clear stress. That's a show of strength. That's what turns her on.

Imagine if instead you said "I just can't handle this by myself anymore". Boom, attraction killed.

[–]CaballeroRojo 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well of course!! I never said whine to your wife, did I now? Guess I should have given that example in the opening comment. I can see how people might misinterpreted that as "be a cry baby every now and then". Frame. Always keep frame. Even when showing weakness. In my experience, not only with my wife, showing emotion from a position of power makes women melt. A strong masculine man who is not afraid to shed a tear. I cried when my football team relegated to 2nd division, but maybe that did lower my SMV who knows. I got a make-you-feel-better-blowjob so I'll count it as a win. I must admit SMV has a lot to do with it, being 6'2 and buff helps things that will be seen as gay in average man seem adorable.

[–]Endless_Summer 4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

NAWALT

Goes on to describe all women

[–]CaballeroRojo -3 points-2 points-1 points 12 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

I don't thin you understand the acronym. It means all women are like that. It's not all women are the same. Understand the difference?

Women want alphas. AWALT

Women exploit betas. NAWALT

Understand?

I know you will say AWALT about the betas but nope. Some women won't pay any attention to them. Fact. If you don't believe it you haven't met enough women.

[–]enticingasthatmaybe 6 points7 points8 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

You are constantly accusing everyone you reply to that they haven't met enough women. Around here we like to call that phenomenon; projection.

I have had more than my share and while some were worst that others, and some were great individual people; they ALL shared certain CORE tendencies. It would be stupid for me to disregard these observations.

[–]CaballeroRojo -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

And I agree with you that they have the same CORE tendencies. Biomechanics we call them. How these women respond to these instincts can vary greatly based on their personal experience and culture. You do, however, ignore this last fact, which makes me think you are inexperienced and that your relationship with women never got beyond one night stands or plates and that you never dated a foreigner or even left town.

[–]enticingasthatmaybe 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

which makes me think you are inexperienced and that your relationship with women never got beyond one night stands or plates and that you never dated a foreigner or even left town.

If you want any legitimacy, stop arguing like this. It only makes you look like a fool.

My own comments state that I have had great experiences with great women. You are probably just an idiot troll, but if not then you need to stop with the attacks. No one is going to take you seriously otherwise.

[–]Endless_Summer -2 points-1 points0 points 12 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, pretty sure you're the one who hasn't gotten to know too many females.

[–]CaballeroRojo 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link

Move out of your feminism polluted nation. It will open your eyes to the true beauty of women. I believe American women can be turned around if married young. Really young I'm talking before 21. That is never gonna be the norm in the US because of social stigma. But move to any other country where women are treated as women is the norm and you'll see a world of difference and you'll stop being so paranoid about every woman wanting to beta bucks alpha fuck. In my country and most non feminist countries alpha fucks and bucks

[–]Endless_Summer -2 points-1 points0 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Yeah lemme just move countries. You see how everything you're saying to me is irrelevant.

[–]CaballeroRojo 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I think you missed the part where I tell you American women can turn out the same if married young to a good competent husband. You seem bitter and angry to me, friend. Why is that? Why does someone with a different opinion get you so worked up? Very immature.

Also I already told you. Not all women are American. If you said AAWALT it would make sense.

[–]Endless_Summer 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

You keep insulting me and then say I'm bitter and immature lol.

Also, please keep telling me about American women since you don't live here and have no idea what you're talking about.

[–]CaballeroRojo -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

I treat others as they treat me. Maybe if you weren't so bitter and snarky I'd have a different approach.I lived in the US (LA and Miami) from age 11-15 and 17-18. I kept coming back and forth and the polarity of your women to ours is simply outstanding. You would die a virgin in my nation. Even Roosh, an all american pua hero, got a little butthurt when he traveled to Argentina lol

This passivity goes against everything I’ve learned with how to American girls, but I have accepted that Argentine girls are a different breed of animal. Touching them is mostly ineffective in building attraction. More studies need to be done and if I ever go back to Argentina, I may carry out the research needed to crack the code, as I have for American girls. It would just be a damn shame to have a culture of women that no one has consistently figured out how to fuck.

http://www.rooshv.com/argentine-girls-final-thoughts-ii

He suggests you go to Brasil instead!! We all know Brazilians take it up the ass hahaha Sluts, like Americans. There is no code to crack. He simply never met ladies before so it baffles him they don't respond well to slut game. You guys are used to sluts and that's why you're so butthurt and paranoid. Thanks feminism! I hope that shit never takes full force down here. My children living in feminist hell is my worst nightmare.

But I must also thank feminism for making slut paradise possible. Miami is so great. Only place on earth I could simply grab a woman and start making out with her. No questions asked. Soo many betas too. It's a harem of thirsty women waiting for alpha dick to show up. Marvelous.

[–]TehFuggernaut 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Exactly - great post. Some guys will cheat, lie, and steal. Some guys would never compromise their morals and do those things. Some women will cheat, complain, bitch/moan. Some women can't imagine doing this in a relationship.

I think it heavily depends on how a person was raised. If it was a chaotic household where the husband allowed this kind of behavior regularly, a girl will grow up thinking this is normal.

[–]opencover 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Many good points here, inspiring post.

But you've only been married five years and no children born, yet. You have a big transition coming up. My marriage was never the same after kids were born and we got about 5-7 years in. Her attraction transferred from me to the kids. When (after that point) I did have a personal crisis, my wife was not particularly supportive.

So good luck in the future I'm almost 20 years in now and the kids are growing well.

[–]CaballeroRojo 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

I never said she was carrying the first one... You're doing something wrong if you're not getting attention. Are you still romantic? This is not a girl you're gaming, it's your wife. I will occasionally bathe my wife. Scented candles and everything. Then I'll give her a long massage and make love to her/fuck her hard. I'll organize random picnics at random faraway places where I am sure we won't be bothered. I set everything up, takes the kids to visit grandma and get to work. I listen to her and don't try to fix her problems unless she explicitly asks for advice. I boss her around when I must. I am great with all my children. I'm still young enough to run and jump and my imagination is well and alive. I entertain, educate and discipline them. I have stayed in shape, still 6'2 200lbs visible Adonis belt (six pack no longer there oh well) and buff. When she has female friends over I don't "just let them have girly time" I spend some of that time with them being charming and then leave them alone so her friends can tell her how lucky she is to have such a great husband. Etc. Etc.

Married game is much different to single game. I see a lot of younger men on this sub reddit blame women for shit they are guilty of. Women are a step above children, do not attempt to judge them as male adults. All women have the same biomechanics and in that sense AWALT. But biomechanics are not all. Culture has a great impact. If you've ever been out of the states you'll know American women are a nightmare. Feminist indoctrination does too. I have a wonderful all-Argentine natural beauty who comes from a good family with a good leader (I have great respect for my father in law) and did not want to ride the cock carousel. Most Argentine women don't. Slut shaming is well and alive in Argentina. We still treat women as women. I lived in the states from age 11 to age 18 and moved back because, honestly, first world and all, but you people are fucking socially dysfunctional. I met the all-American slut. I know the monster you are dealing with. You seem to forget not everyone on the Internet is American and ignore the fact that NAWALT because not all women are American!

I am simply pointing out how NAWALT. How you can indeed find a good wife but it won't be free. Being a good husband is, as I'm sure you know, A Lot of work that goes beyond bringing the bread and giving them a roof. So when these kids come and cry AWALT because of a super American slut being a total cunt to an all-American beta I feel like I need to step in and make a point. Also they all come out as butthurt and bitter. This shit has been on this sub reddit for a long time now. I used to lurk and have fun reading the stuff here but as usual when a subreddit grows this happens. I made an account just to point this logical fallacies out.

If you too believe all women are like the whore in the log, then you are a moron just like everyone else who is going on and on about how this is the inevitable outcome of marriage.

[–]opencover 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

It's odd that you didn't mention any of the others you describe now.

Congrats on being able to keep a woman attracted to you with all this attention and having a studly physique. I don't have that studly physique, certainly had kids already at 5 years in, not everything went smooth in other aspects of life either, and yet her attraction was maintained that long.

So you may be an expert, or maybe everyone needs to grow a lot of inches and become buff, or maybe you just don't know much yet.

[–]CaballeroRojo 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

Keeping a solid physique is key.It's quite simple to stay strong and buff really. It's the six pack that's hard, but I've found it doesn't really matter as long as you are not fat. I used to work out a lot when I was younger, now I just do a full body workout 3 times a week, only eat carbs before workouts and on Sundays and try to be as active as possible outside the gym. Take the stairs, play with the kids, walk the dog, you know the drill. It is never to late to get in shape. Do it. It will change your life drastically. Huge SMV boost.

As for height, yeah guess I'm just lucky. Even women admit that is the first thing they see in a man. Boots are an option. They'll add about an inch. A cowboy hat will make you look huge! Too bad we don't wear those here.

It's odd that you didn't mention any of the others you describe now.

What do you mean? Details? If I didn't go into further detail before is because I didn't think it'd be necessary.

I don't have that studly physique, certainly had kids already at 5 years in, not everything went smooth in other aspects of life either, and yet her attraction was maintained that long.

I wouldn't call it a studly physique but thanks! I think there's a great cultural difference between US and Argentina when it comes to relationships. Women are not as high maintenance. They understand this is a 3rd world country and don't ask for much. I think a huge difference in the cultures is social circles. Huge social circles here are the norm. If all her friends and family like you, she'll like you more. The same is true for her. Eventually both families will merge into one. There's more bonding than in the US where most family leaves far away and only get together for the holidays. Families get together every weekend here. Families work together (I work with 4 family members), even live together (There's 7 people in my house and one on the way) All this creates a tighter bond. She would never consider breaking up with you unless you really fuck up. Breaking up with you means breaking the complete family structure apart. Also she wouldn't be breaking up with the man who give her sex and money, she'll be breaking up with her brothers best friend, her father's friend, her cousins' friend... Understand? Divorce rates are very low. Something like 7%.

I know it was like this in the US before feminism. I know because I used to watch the Little House on the Prairie and Bonanza when I was a kid haha. Traditional family is the best. It sucks you guys are leaving that aside.

[–]opencover 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

So not only are you tall and buff, haven't been married very long, you live in a society where women generally bond and stay bonded and behave themselves.

That's great. I wish US society were like that. I sometimes wonder why I was born in this super-competitive country, where I must compete and play games to survive and "prosper". But here I am, and I have succeeded. As the old Frank Sinatra song says, "if I can make it here, I can make it anywhere."

But how do we know YOU have any knowledge to share? You haven't achieved more than 90% of the short fat caballeros in Argentina.

This makes some of your negative comments in this thread seem really stupid. Don't you see that the context is different? Maybe you couldn't keep a woman here either.

And I say this to you as someone who has kept a woman much longer than you have so far.

[+]MISINTERESTED -7 points-6 points-5 points 12 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link

awesome reply xx

[–]CaballeroRojo -5 points-4 points-3 points 12 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link

Are those kisses? oxo

[–]MISINTERESTED -4 points-3 points-2 points 12 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link

yes sorry im a woman lol...they kinda sneak in everywhere...i forget im posting on a mans board ha xx

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[–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan 5 points6 points7 points 12 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

They speak of hard truths but none want to accept the truths that put some of the blame on them.

You obviously haven't been hanging around very long. The very first step of TRP is identifying self faults and putting yourself on a path to correcting them. Identifying common traits of the western female goes along with it, sure, and some of it may be hard to swallow (pun intended), but it's not the central theme. The fact is, this sub is growing at a breakneck pace, and some of the bitter guys are posting too much before reading the sidebar.

[–]CaballeroRojo -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

I've been here long enough to see you get down voted for pointing out the same thing I'm pointing out: if they cheat on you you are also to blame, not just her. True or not? Yes I agree. This sub is becoming shit. Bitter butthurt silly little frustrated men full of anger trying to apply their bias to a theory

[–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

That was yesterday. But I've been pointing that out for months. Introspection seems to be an art lost on many.

[–]CaballeroRojo 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well you said it yourself! Months! And yes, introspection is lacking here. "Hey guys I just skimmed through the sidebar so now I'll pretend to fully understand RP and be a dick to everyone who is clearly a White Knight beta faggot lul Women are bad llulz"

[–]chakravanti93 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You advocate being self critical. That's a fine line across from blaming Men for the choices of women.

Fact of the matter is that when you do not walk away from such behaviour it will continue and If you tolerate this then your children will be next.

[–]Endless_Summer 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

That's beta thinking, that you're to blame for being cheated on. A real man isn't going to accept responsibility for the actions of a selfish, irrational and emotional person.

[–]CaballeroRojo -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

If a plate cheats on you, it's not really cheating. If a recent GF cheats on you, it's not really cheating (you know shit ain't real until you marry, don't pretend you don't) If your wife cheats on you, and you are not her beta bucks, that mean you did something to go from alpha fucks/bucks to beta bucks. Women can only love (notice the emphasis) only one man at a time. True love I mean. As in you're all she thinks about and she's all over you all the time trying her best to please you and gain your aproval. Biomechanics in work. Once you get a woman to love you you marry her, because why would you go through the trouble of making a plate love you? If you made her fall for you, if she's at the point of submission, she was worth the effort. If not, don't waste your time: pump and dump or spin.

Assuming you are a good husband (alpha, higher SMV than wife, wife loves you) if you get cheated on it means you did something to go from the alpha she loves to the beta she despises. Maybe you dropped your SMV significantly and permanently (lower income, grew a gut, cut back on hygiene and/or fashion etc.) Maybe you can't keep your inner beast caged and have been fooling around (women just KNOW. It's like they can smell it on you) Maybe she saw you submit to greater alphas. Maybe you ain't fucking her as good anymore. Maybe you're not giving her enough attention. SOMETHING! No good wife leaves a good alpha husband for no reason. You triggered that. And if you're a beta buck who got cheated on, well what did you expect? That's on you for thinking marrying her would somehow make her love you more when the sad truth is you're her beta buck.

[–]chakravanti93 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

  1. You advocate "not cheating" on your wife.

  2. You defend women "cheating" by saying "It doesn't count."

  3. You blame Men for women cheating.

I detect a sheep in wolf's clothing.

[–]Endless_Summer 3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

White knight detected

[–]opencover 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Oh now I see this. I've lost all regard for you, red guy.

Only 5 years into a marriage, no kids born yet, and you're the expert? lol

[–]CaballeroRojo -5 points-4 points-3 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It is the truth. Or else you wouldn't scream AWALT in cases like this. I have 3 children and the 4th coming soon.

[–]opencover 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't scream.

Just remind you that you've said above that you have a really good physique and that marriages don't tend to break up in Argentina anyway.

You haven't proved that you know more than any other guy. I suspect that your white knight tendencies would put your relationships at risk here, despite the physique. We'll never know for sure, but I don't see how your opinions have any credibility against those who really have fought the wars here and lived to tell about it.

[–]MISINTERESTED -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Ive read alot of very good points on here and also alot of crap points full of anger. Your post illustrated all the good points and it would appear that you practice what you preach in your relationship and as such, you have a woman who adores you. Go you xxx

[–]redpilldude 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Stories like this are really more the rule, rather than the exception.

Honestly, has any man ever had a positive reaction from his wife/gf when he shared a problem like molestation with her?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

What was the image in the OP? The snapshot site doesn't save it.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

http://i.imgur.com/fEx34rl.jpg

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Isn't this the woman, and not women as a whole, that is dysfunctional? I doubt this is the general response from women towards their SO's if they've confessed to being molested.

[–]TRP VanguardCyralea 6 points7 points8 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No, it really is women on the whole. The only ones that stay are the ones whose attraction isn't entirely killed because you have sufficiently high SMV. If Brad Pitt were to open up to a woman about his weakness it likely wouldn't cause the end of his relationship -- he commands enough SMV that he can afford to lose some points by displaying weakness.

On the whole women are turned off by weakness. There's no point to gambling it unless you have colossal SMV.

[–]stupid_fucking_name 4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

The only ones who stay after you confess something major like this and look to her for support are doing it out of guilt, not because they care.

[–]opencover 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

See, they stay because they are attracted. This sort of thing weakens attraction. It's very simple.

Another reason a woman can stay around is out of guilt or pity, but I've never actually heard of that happening. Women are too self-centered.

The final and best reason is obligation. Especially if you have kids, you made a promise, and unless there's a damned good reason like infidelity, serious abuse, etc. you keep your promise. Yes, women too should feel bound by this obligation.

[–]opencover 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And in Argentina the woman would stay around because she's connected in a larger family and would be ostracized if she left.

As it should be.

[–]CaballeroRojo 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Holy shit you've been hurt in the past no?

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The man is the leader and captain of the relationship. With great power comes great responsibility. YOU CANNOT EVER DUMP NEGATIVE SHIT ON YOUR WOMAN.

Does the Captain of a ship complain about his feelz to his First Officer? Did Captain Picard ever complain about his bad day to Commander Reiker? No, and no.

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[–]highstats 5 points6 points7 points 12 years ago (19 children) | Copy Link

Because there are many happily married couples who have been together for 50+ years with great families and great lives.

[–]Endorsed ContributorrebuildingMyself 4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

From a different era

[–]Glenbert 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That era being, like, the 40s. I mean, if you do the math.

[–]hamstercide 3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link

Where the husband doesn't know the wife was cheating. Ignorance is bliss.

[–]highstats 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

You're retarded. Not all wifes cheat.

[–]hamstercide 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

NAWALT (not all wives are like that)

[+]CaballeroRojo -9 points-8 points-7 points 12 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

Some of us are quite paranoid. Here's a cold hard truth: if you got cheated on, it is indeed your fault. Maybe you didn't deserve it, but you sure as hell were at fault for not being man enough to keep your woman interested.

[–]hamstercide 7 points8 points9 points 12 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Uh-huh. And if you get carjacked, it's your fault for parking your car outside. If you get robbed, it's your fault for having a big house suggestive of material success. If you get murdered, it's your fault for not noticing your assailant as he was stalking you, or for looking at him funny.

It would be funny if adultery would be treated like a crime again. It certainly has criminal consequences on families, the building blocks of society.

[–]TehFuggernaut 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You may have picked a shit partner and ignored some warning signs, or misinterpretted them. This is real life - every situation is different, this board is only a guide on generalizations and typical female behavior.

Red pill in an LTR is also very different from red pill for a guy trying to hook up/playing the field.

[–]CaballeroRojo -5 points-4 points-3 points 12 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Listen buddy you can't compare those. You have no power in those situations. You do have power in a relationship. You have all the power of you're doing it right. So stop your hamster and accept reality: women don't cheat on true alpha once they've committed.

[–]En-Sigma 6 points7 points8 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Alpha widows sometimes pine for the one that got away, but they also sometimes pine for all those alphas in the past. Alpha is not unique and there is always someone more alpha than you. You are delusional.

[+]CaballeroRojo -6 points-5 points-4 points 12 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

Your fault for buying used goods. I don't understand why anyone would want to be a boyfriend. It's like being married except you have not nearly as much authority, have to deal with as much drama and don't get any of the benefits (she's not cleaning cooking or washing for you) ofc your gf will cheat if she find better dick. She will hamster it with "I haven't committed yet". If you are gonna go LTR do it with a young girl with a malleable mind and same or lower SMV than you, gain her family's approval, marry her and put a baby in there ASAP. You people are paranoid thinking all women want is to use you lol maybe American women are completely insane who knows if that's the case I feel sorry for you yankees

[–]En-Sigma 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

OP is for husband not boyfriend.

And yes, American women are crazy.

[–]CaballeroRojo -4 points-3 points-2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

OP was clearly beta as fuck. Shouldn't be a husband to begin with.

[–]Endless_Summer 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

If you get raped it's your fault, you shouldn't have worn that short skirt out.

Idiot.

[+]CaballeroRojo -7 points-6 points-5 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Again. You have no power in such situations which happen against your will and outside of your control but in a relationship you are the man and just as she must remain a good woman to keep you interested you must do the same. Being a beta provider won't do it. Being a bar alpha jerkboy won't do it either. If you want a healthy relationship you must be a complete man toes to head. You must learn how to practice chivalry without seeming beta. It is doable. I will say something that will pass most of you off: Americans have very little game. It is not surprising, your women are sluts. Sluts are easy. You think what works on sluts works on women willing to commit. Wrong. Too much of a good thing is still too much. I notice in this sub reddit not many grasp variety and how behavior towards the one you chose gradually needs to change. Everyone goes on and on about how macho they really are with all their "do as I say" attitude but none seem to know how to calibrate since most here have come to the conclusion that all women are whores who want to use men. Nothing could be farther from the truth. Women, despite feminism, want a leader to follow and keep them moist down there. You don't pull that off being a paranoid alpha rofl

[–]Endless_Summer 4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

All that rambling and no point.

[+]CaballeroRojo -7 points-6 points-5 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Mr. Ad hominem. Also that is a 20 second read. Sorry I forgot American education is not the best.

[–]Endless_Summer 4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No, it's just a convoluted bunch of sentences that don't make any sense or point. It's also very ignorant of you to assume anything about my level of education.

[–]TehFuggernaut 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is a great realization. If your relationship fails, its because you allowed it to get stale. You dropped your frame, stopped being fun and exciting. You have to stay the same fun/outgoing guy you were at the start of a relationship. Dynamics change over the years, but you can't allow yourself to become boring.

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