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Kirsten Dunst comes out in support of traditional gender roles. Bluepilled liberals freak out.

Wake_Up_White_Man

April 12, 2014
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Title Kirsten Dunst comes out in support of traditional gender roles. Bluepilled liberals freak out.
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Wake_Up_White_Man

Upvotes 135
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Date April 12, 2014 7:55 AM UTC
(12 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/TheRedPill
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/22uc46/kirsten_dunst_comes_out_in_support_of_traditional/
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[–][deleted] 12 years ago (18 children) | Copy Link

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[–][deleted] 15 points16 points17 points 12 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

Sounds like we've found another one who still thinks degrees matter.

[–][deleted] 22 points23 points24 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Not those degrees

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points11 points 12 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Degrees are a coupon for a job interview, nothing more.

[–][deleted] 12 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

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[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

As a medical student going into research, I wholly agree. STEM degrees are quite valuable and necessary. Others are also valuable, but you could perhaps buy a book and just read at home to acquire the same level of knowledge.

[+]MegMartinson -15 points-14 points-13 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I respectfully disagree with your entire comment.

[–]RedPillExclusive 11 points12 points13 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Alright just hire some average joe off the streets to work for nasa.

See how good he does.

[+]PlanB_pedofile -8 points-7 points-6 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'd take someone with 20 years experience in designing and patenting products from mcdonnell douglas to come work at Nasa over someone who delayed paying off their student loans for a PHD who's still wet behind the ears who's only experience is within a classroom environment.

I'd honestly hire both, but I want the guy with 20 years to lead the project and let the phd do the bottom work.

[–]1sailorJery -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The only time degrees are useful to you in discerning an objective truth, is on a thermometer.

[–]Elonine 3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

they are taking my ability to can...

[–]TRP VanguardWhisper 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yep, things you say become true because people pay you for them!

[–]RedPillExclusive 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Degree in Gender Studies.

What a fucking moron.

[–]JJTheJetPlane5657 37 points38 points39 points 12 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

“Femininity has lost its meaning. Our culture and media teach women that success means running after careers and money. Instead, a pro-woman society should emphasize a woman’s importance and worth, no matter her decision in how to live out her life.”

I think that this is a very beautiful quote. This is what bothers me the most about some sections of Feminism. I think it's a good thing that women are afforded the same options as men as far as education and ability to get jobs are concerned, if someone has those values then great! But there is a metric fuck ton of shaming for stay at home moms/wifes now.

"We love all women! As long as you fully believe in gurrll power and make the choices that we've decided are correct for you!"

Fuck off, you're not better than fundamentalist religious people. Everyone do what you want, forge your own path, find your own way.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points10 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I remember the 90's. Equality was the word, the idea was women should be able to choose options without system barriers and hopefully without excessive social pressure to stop them. Any options, including roles that were more 'traditional.' It was even whispered that men should be able to do the same.

Over and over again, it was said, women and men were equal. I believed in that equality, even if it was 'equal but different.' I was called a feminist by women who were considered feminists then. I never liked the label, due to the inherent gender bias in the very word, but I remained steadfast in my belief that men and women should be afforded equal treatment, equal opportunity for respect, and not be discriminated against for anything other than their individual choices and actions.

For me, that has never changed. What feminism is, and what it does has changed. That pro-woman society would have been fine if it remained pro-man as well, and pro-anything-else-you-want because we don't need to be dicks about it, but that isn't what has happened.

You are quite correct. They are not better than fundies. In fact, I see very little difference between their underlying philosophies and religious beliefs. Even their steadfast belief in the primacy of social science over behavioural biology might stem from a deeply repressed desire for divine presence in humans. Tabula rasa... it's like saying we're so special, somehow. Just somehow. Deep down they want us to be something other than those "damn, dirty apes." Belief in the blank slate is quite possibly belief in the divine spark in humans, that we are special, not just a more cognitively complex animal.

Perhaps that is why it cannot be argued. It's an assault upon their God.

[–]JJTheJetPlane5657 -3 points-2 points-1 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Wow. I wish I had a response for you, but I don't really. I just wanted to let you know that what you wrote really resonated with me.

Do you mind if I ask you a little bit about yourself? I'd like to know more about where you come from.

[–][deleted] 12 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

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[–]JJTheJetPlane5657 4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Stay at home moms are very looked down upon by feminists and most of society as "wasting their potential". It's a more positive spin on "lazy bum" (though one I'd still rather have).

[–][deleted] 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

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[–]JJTheJetPlane5657 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I also question yours, good day

[–]CaptainDerpknocker 14 points15 points16 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"she should just keep quiet"

A feminist telling a women who speaks her mind to pretty much "shut up, and know your place" and they won't even bat an eye at that hypocrisy.

[–]Opioidus 52 points53 points54 points 12 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

She's an ex-slut approaching the wall, I remember her using drugs and being #Partiiiiigrrrrrrl a couple of years back. Womyn all become traditionalist good wife material after they ride the D. I don't trust her.

[–][deleted] 37 points38 points39 points 12 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Few things:

  1. Dunst is relatively young, hot, and rich. She doesn't need to worry about "the wall" nearly as much as most women.

  2. Related to [1], there are reformed party girls out there. Given Dunst's high social and sexual value, she doesn't need to come out and support traditional gender roles. But she did anyway. Also, in my experience, girls approaching "the wall" stake less controversial claims: "I'm ready to settle down"; "I'm just looking for love"; "I want to give motherhood a go"; etc. That Dunst is going all-in with some socially conservative knowledge indicates she probably genuinely believes what she's saying.

  3. Even granting her biological clock is ticking and this is a pragmatic move to find a man, she's still a movie star and a role model for young women. Her about-face is thus a big positive in my book.

[–]hashtagpound2point2 4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

31 isn't young, she'll actually be 32 at the end of the month.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Most "wall" women I've come into contact with are within the 35-45 age range (always exceptions), and these aren't wealthy and attractive film stars. Had she made these comments for the first time, say, five years from now, I'd have more reason for concern.

[–]TRP VanguardVZPurp 11 points12 points13 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I see some women slam into the wall as early as 26.

[–]cxj 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I've seen it at 18 lol. A band called Weekend Nachos had a song about this, it goes "high schools over isn't that scary? Now you're just an obituary." /mosh

[–]theVet 7 points8 points9 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Womyn all become traditionalist good wife material after they ride the D

Not really, plenty of them become cat hoarding man haters.

[–]DanReggins 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

good catch

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points0 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Agreed. I question the forces behind her about-face... is it a true change of heart, or is it the Wall?

[–][deleted] 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

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[–]1PaulRivers10 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Seriously.

This is just one of many things like that - how else do you describe a movement that insists that bdsm is safe and healthy in all and every situation, but has a shit fit about guys who are being genuinely nice to girls?

[–]Huginn__and__Muninn 14 points15 points16 points 12 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

Just look at the immaturity of the feminist response...

An article titled “Kirsten Dunst Thinks Ladies In Relationships Should Wife the F**k Out" in which the author calls her "kind of dumb about it." She's a woman, doesn't that make her fully qualified to discuss the role of women. No surprise this is on Jezebel.

Their butthurt and emotional reaction shows how illogical their beliefs are and how little critical thinking goes into them. Easy to laugh off with a even a small amount of the RP swallowed.

[–]stupid_fucking_name 18 points19 points20 points 12 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

The thing about feminists is that they'd rather call you "kind of dumb" than tell you why you're wrong. That's why no one takes them seriously. If they had well reasoned and thought out arguments, I think they and TRP could actually be respectful opponents with some robust and informative debate happening. Instead we get "lol ur dum."

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points 12 years ago* (7 children) | Copy Link

As with most groups, the loud, obnoxious, and misinformed grab our intention while the subtle and smart drift along unnoticed. Some types of feminism are well thought-out and worth debating, and many would get some TRP support. Check out difference feminism as an example.

EDIT: Related, I was just banned from /r/feminism for asking a question about which contemporary difference feminists would be worth checking out. Apparently this isn't real feminism. If that isn't proof positive for the merits of difference feminism, I don't know what is.

[–][deleted] 12 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

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[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

It really is. The Wikipedia page on New Feminism (a type of difference feminism) is a pretty thorough introduction, and most people are shocked when they see such views being advocated under a feminist moniker. Example:

New Feminists claim that other feminisms are preoccupied with "power", domination and positions of visible "authority" and claim that those are as masculine and faulty. Dismayed by what they see as the bitterness, hatred, or retribution of many feminists against men or other women for current or past injustices, they argue that men and women should cooperate with one another in interpersonal communion. This means giving of themselves in mutual service and love. They typically avoid using the tactic of consciousness raising because they believe that method promotes venting and bitterness instead of mutual commitment.

Unsurprisingly, third-wave and e-feminists never acknowledge New Feminism, which is pro-life, gender realist, pro-religion, anti-casual sex, and moral realist. I guess such women are simply victims of the patriarchy.

[–]Samantha_Simpson3 points 12 years ago* [recovered] (3 children) | Copy Link

Wow, this 'New Feminism' thing sounds very similar to what is advocated over at /r/RedPillWomen. If that were the definition for feminism, then I would definitely consider myself a feminist. I didn't know such a thing even existed. It's too bad that it's being vastly overshadowed by the far more extreme variants of feminism.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I hadn't made that connection before, but now that you mention it, I can see overlap between New Feminism and RPW. You think it'd be worth posting a topic on the subject over there?

[–]Samantha_Simpson 1 points1 points1 points 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

It could be! It would certainly make for some very interesting discussion. A number of RPW are ex-feminists (in the more commonly used sense of the word), and I'm sure learning that something like this exists would be new information for them. It was for me, anyway.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Seems I can't post on RPW for whatever reason, so I'd encourage you to give it a share and see what some of the reactions are like.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Which makes me hate them even more, which makes me ignore them even more, which makes them angrier, which...

Circle of shit right there. Can't play into it because you'll almost never win

[–]Elonine 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

To be fair. It seems like it's their version of being aloof and holding frame.

Picture of you half-ass explained these concepts to a 12 year old boy. They don't quite get it at first. Like when they read about negging, and then call a girl they like "you dummy".

They are trying to respond while also conveying that they aren't going to gratify it with a response.

It's fucking stupid, but I think that's what is happening.

[–][deleted] 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

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[–]theVet 6 points7 points8 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You are forgetting the core tenant of feminism: Emotion trumps logic.

If feminists really cared about equality or a higher cause do you really think they'd give a shit how some celeb wants to lead her relationship? No, they would rally against female genital mutilation in Africa. About forced marriages and stoning of rape victims in some Arab countries. But they only care about themselves. They want more money for doing less, they want extra rights just for them, they want to ban entire words and thoughts, tell men how to live, parents how to raise their kids, starting to see a pattern yet? Feminism in developed countries is nothing more than a greedy hate group that feeds the ego and the pocket hamsters wallet.

[–]hashtagpound2point2 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's amazing how none of them realize that they're all disagreeing with her while having a total of 0 counterpoints against what she's saying. Or maybe they do and they just don't care because feminists.

[–]FlaviusMaximus 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I couldn't help but notice the hugely exaggerated headlines from the feminist websites. 'Kirsten Dunst says women should wife the fuck out'. Do these idiots not see the irony?

Having said that, I wouldn't necessarily say Dunst is supporting red pill values - she's just stating that the choice should be there.

[–]JoeyJoeJoeShabadou 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

So, what happened? I used to be pretty liberal, and then they went and moved what liberal means, and now I'm suddenly agreeing with stuff written on a blog called The Young Conservative.

[–]SgtBrutalisk 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Chtulhu always swims to the left.

LONG read, but worth it.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

I've always considered Kirstin Dunst to be the hottest Hollywood actress. I don't know what it is.

[–]1kulrajiskulraj 15 points16 points17 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Really? I thought she looked like any average looking woman. Not celebrity status hot, and not ugly.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points11 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Maybe thats it.

[–]LaserSoundMusic 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

well you have a weird opinion

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points0 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She's a mediocre version of Scarlet Johaneson.

[–]TRP VanguardVZPurp 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

How convenient for her

[–]1sailorJery 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I've never really found her to be attractive or talented as an actress but at least she's got a brain.

[–]Ferinex 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

why does political leaning have anything at all to do with it? There is a correlation, I'd agree, but I would not say they are inextricably linked or causal. I concur with many redpill conclusions, but I also agree with democratic socialism.

[–]Strongproudwoman 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

IIRC Kirsten dunst played in a movie called "Mona Lisa's smile" in which there is a professor (Julia Roberts I think) that teaches girls in the 1950s about being independent and not following gender roles. Of all the female characters in the movie Kristen's is the only one to stay with the traditional role of a woman. Julia Roberts character asks why and Kirsten's says because she wants to keep the role.

Now I hear lots of actors do research into their roles when acting. So maybe Kirsten dunst read up on the philosophy of these gender roles and she agreed with it.

[–]raouldukeesq -2 points-1 points0 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

What a complete misrepresentation of what Kirsten Dunst said. Dunst is very clearly preaching TBP philosophy. The article is very porrly written and misleading.

"“I feel like the feminine has been a little undervalued… We all have to get our own jobs and make our own money, but staying at home, nurturing, being the mother, cooking – it’s a valuable thing my mum created,” Dunst told this month’s edition of Harper’s Bazaar in the U.K.

“And sometimes, you need your knight in shining armor. I’m sorry. You need a man to be a man and a woman to be a woman. That’s why relationships work…”"

She is clearly preaching that women get to have it both ways and get to have it all. Exercise some basic reading comprehension skills here. The feminine is undervalued, we get to have jobs, make money and stay at home with White Knights who are real men.

Further, TRP and TBP are neither conservative nor liberal. Trying to ally them as such is factually incorrect and detrimental to TRP. Traditional gender roles are responsible for the Disney fantasy, oneits, no plate spinning, you have to get married, missionary sex only, etc...

[–]1PaulRivers10 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Further, TRP and TBP are neither conservative nor liberal. Trying to ally them as such is factually incorrect and detrimental to TRP. Traditional gender roles are responsible for the Disney fantasy, oneits, no plate spinning, you have to get married, missionary sex only, etc...

+1

You're morally obligated to stay married to a woman even if all "your" kids are from her cheating on you with someone else, all sexual thoughts outside of marriage are sinful, birth control is immoral...

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