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A PUA, an MRA, and a Male Feminist on NBC, 1992

someotherdudeagain

December 31, 2013
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Title A PUA, an MRA, and a Male Feminist on NBC, 1992
Author

someotherdudeagain

Upvotes 34
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Date December 31, 2013 7:26 PM UTC
(12 years ago)
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Comments

[–]Costafarian 26 points27 points28 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is why you can't argue pick-up and TRP with a woman.

Ross was bashed over and over. Though not with any intelligent argument other than "U DON GIT NO POOSY!". So clearly the feels were struck a mighty blow that day.

The MRA was unfortunately a mere reflection of myself at one point before the TRP (minus the dress). Trying to reason with these women and call them out for their bullshit the wrong way. This was impossible to break through to them because they all (even the host) were emotionally compromised by Ross. And since he was wearing the dress and acting like a victim, they placed their anger towards Ross onto him. I feel bad for the guy, but unfortunately thats how women have made most of us.

The Feminist faggot literally had nothing intelligent to say. He spoke like a fucking politician trying to win over the female vote. And he literally repeated his message at least twice. "Men need to hand over the power to women, hurr durr!" cue applause. What was worse was that the guy would smile like the dumb fuck thinking that by winning over the crowd he won the debate.

But I have this theory that in the presence of an unpopular opinion, such as Ross's and the MRA's, people will cheer and clap to bring down the minorities who have the less popular ideas. This is an attempt at attacking your feelings, since the MRA was clearly getting too emotionally invested in the whole thing.

The MRA clearly succumbed to the crowd, and Ross pretty much smiled all the way through.

The best part of the whole thing was:

"So Ross, what do women want?"

"I don't care what women want."

[–]--TakeThePill 26 points26 points26 points 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Hilarious how they tell Jeffries to not value women only for sex, while trying to insult him for (supposedly).... not having sex.

[–]someotherdudeagain[S] 8 points9 points10 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The same insults never get old!

[–]troll_bot_v1 6 points7 points8 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Two decades later and they're still beating the same dead horse

[–]bobsmith1111 7 points8 points9 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I've just watched this vid again. Did anyone realise all 3 characters are playing perfect archetypes of the ID, EGO, SUPER-EGO ?

  1. The pickup artist was the id: trying to get laid without moral codes,

  2. The mra was trying to be rational and reasonable,

  3. The feminist was guilt-trip conformist trying to get social acceptance in the audience, eg super-ego.

[–]TRP Vanguardnicethingyoucanthave 15 points16 points17 points 12 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

A PUA, an MRA, and a feminist walk into a bar. Before the bartender can even greet them, the feminist screams, "why haven't I been given a beer?? Oppression!!" and storms out.

The MRA sees a placard advertising ladies' night. He storms out as well.

The PUA slips the bartender a piece of green paper with the words, "one hundred million dollars" written on it. He smiles and says, "give me all your beer." The bartender says, "GTFO!" The PUA is confused, having seen other people use similar bits of paper and achieve positive results. He leaves to try another bar.

At the end of the bar is a TRPer. He exchanges actual money for a high-quality, trappist ale. Know why? Because that's how bars fucking work.

[–][deleted] 12 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

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[–]TRP Vanguardnicethingyoucanthave 13 points14 points15 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

didn't mean it as hate. Just good-natured ribbing.

Almost forgot, the MGTOW guy is at home brewing beer.

[–]vozkhan 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Hahaha brilliant

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The PUA community has grown so vast and flooded with spam, bragging losers and people trying to cash in that 90% of the stuff you read is absolute bullshit and leads to the really cheesy bad PUA's who get made fun of.

Unfortunately that has become the "public" face of PUA.

If you want to get real PUA stuff get a usenet account and read the dawn of the internet circa 1996 PUA stuff that was out there, the stuff is absolute gold and goes into insane detail and the psychological theory behind some of the most popular methods, this is the place that the Ross Jeffries of the world were born from.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm actually very curious now. Is it possible for me to read that stuff from 1996? Is it still on usenet archived? Is it on any websites?

[–]Justus222 -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Great analogy.

[–]Vodkas21 9 points10 points11 points 12 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

It's been over 20 years and the women back then are exactly like the women now. The host couldn't even last two minutes of being impartial then acted like all the other women in that audience.

The feminist guy is a joke and easily got the audiences support by dropping a few feel good lines for women, "men need to give up their power" etc. MRA tried to argue a few points, the women weren't interested and went on to belittle him. Ross dropped a little game and gained the whole audience and host's attention as most of their comments/questions were directed at him, he proved his point.

[–]jethreezy 4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"I want to put women on a pedestal, so I can look up your skirts."

What a baller! LOL

[–]RobBobGlove 4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

very interesting! recommend watching it for everyone!
Don't know why there have been some strange voting patterns lately, I think someone is down voting every new submission

[–]someotherdudeagain[S] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Some things don't change. I love the whiny MRA in a dress.

[–]RobBobGlove 6 points7 points8 points 12 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

this is a really funny clip for those who understand a bit about this stuff. Everything goes as expected, the whining women, the MRA trying to reason with them and being humiliated, the mangina putting women on a pedestal...itt all adds up.
For those not familiar, Jeffries is a legend. He was one of the first to start the seduction movement and what he preached 30 years ago is still relevant now

[–]someotherdudeagain[S] 8 points9 points10 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I was surprised to see someone spitting red pill in 1992. He must have been one of the originals.

[–]RobBobGlove 10 points11 points12 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

yes, basically you have 3 big types of game, and i'm not talking about generic self improvement :
1)nlp. This guy started the movement with his teaching. He started speed seduction. The idea behind it is simple : play the numbers game, control body language and speak using NLP techniques. Use it a LOT and get results.

2)scripted. There where the guys who couldn't do it or didn't hear about jeffries. In the 00' and before these RPG players started hitting college and being depressed. To make sense of the system they originally created ( maybe that's the reason they call it that) "game". Instead of using mana potions and swords they applied the same logic to seduction. Everything had a place, you just needed to lvl up using specific techniques. You did this, you got that, it was very simple and easy to understand.

3)Natural. The game and mistery ruined everything for the second group. Suddenly using a funny opener meant nothing because everybody was doing it, a great backlash erupted towards PUA. You can see on Reddit how nobody seems to understand negging... Anyway, this was the third "wave" of seduction. Instead of focusing on lines and techniques you should look at successful men and mimic them.

The next generation of gaming philosophy is about combining the big tree. You take the amazing verbal skills from NLP, the certainty of patterns and mix it with the natural way of being genuine. Add a big dose of honesty, truth and being unapologetic and you get what the redpill should be about.

[–]tempusers 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Add a big dose of honesty, truth and being unapologetic and you get what the redpill should be about.

That's what I consider tantamount to being manly too. For me that's what I consider the most simple. Never having to say sorry for small day to day bullshit (not being kept down), and being honest with yourself and everyone else.
Edit: Also add in doses of physical and mental self improvement to round out yourself.

[–]Miamiheat87 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'd argue that the next wave is actually RedPill.

I'm surprised by Ross. I started reading about game when The Game came out and the general impression I got about him was he used an overly complex system of NLP to seduce women as his primary weapon and was a fraud.

But actually listening to him on a public talk show and the points he made completely reversed my impression of the guy.

Wow.

RedPill 1992!

[–][deleted] -5 points-4 points-3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They are talking about us over at /r/askmenginas

[–]ShitBatCrazy 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Notice how the PUA holds frame completely, the MRA made more intelligent points but was emotionally invested and got exactly what you would expect from trying to reason with that ham-behemoth called the crowd. I feel sorry for the feminist, he's so excited and probably thinks he's won but not a single woman in that room will ever treat him like a man again, just an ATM machine.

[–]1Zackcid -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

lol, at the feminist's face. We tend to throw around the word 'beta' here and there to describe behaviours, but shit, if "beta" had a physical manifestation, it would be this guy's face. You can just tell he's lived a life of constantly seeking to avoid offending women. He's so docile, like a baby rabbit.

[–]MockingDead -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

First observations:

PUA: Confident, well dressed, relaxed MRA: Unkept, bad looks; doesn't care Mangina: Desperate to appease. Look at him, scanning the crowd for someone to like him. Puppy dog.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

it's reddit personified on TV, except it's from the past.

a lot of present day feminists wouldn't agree with the womens' attitudes either, since they were pretty adamant about gender roles, gender essentialism, a transactional view of sex, and a disdain for casual sex. funny how times change.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Love how they can only talk about how the mra is dressed like a woman, not once do they make an actual point- and still can't accept when he points out that they are dressed like men.

Overall very good clip. The mra is very logical and understands the pua but can't bring himself to do it. The pua is in a position where he had to be open rather than using his techniques, which obviously sets the crowd to hate him- even though he's responding to their very nature the best way. The feminist made no points, does not seem to understand the point of the discussion and was just pathetically pleasing the crowd.

[–]anarchopianist -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The feminist would be perplexed to see how it is not without any effort those with economic power get laid. He conflates economic power with sexual/dating power. Ironically he's smuggling in the assumption money is all that matters.

[+]womanmanwoman -7 points-6 points-5 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I don't even need to watch this to know whos who. The well dressed good looking man is the PUA, the MRA is the dorky one with glasses and the male feminist is the one wearing the dress.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

You're actually wrong about all of those lol.

[–]Miamiheat87 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

LMAO... But he is RP cuz he's 100% confident in his knowledge. Love it.

[–]ShitBatCrazy 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Nope the pua is the dorky one, the one in the dress is the mra and the good looking man boy is the feminist. You need to watch it though.

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