I done fucked up now. Chose to do a high school 12 page paper on feminism, now I'm on very thin ice

teeelo · 2014-10-28T20:28:17+00:00

This is exactly why I don't want minors posting in TRP.

Blah blah blah blah blah blah....

TFCNU · 2014-10-28T20:08:10+00:00

You're forgetting the first rule of TRP: Do not talk about TRP. It will get you nowhere. It can hurt you in an academic setting. Pick something else and convince everyone that it's way better. You seem to have some power over the group.

AreYouAware_ · 2014-10-28T20:15:14+00:00

My best piece of wisdom is a bit from the 48 Laws of Power.

Think as you wish, but behave like others.

You should not flaunt unpopular opinions in front of people, lest you make enemies instead of friends. You are in a position where you have no real power, and if you expose yourself as loathsome to the current power holders, you will never have any.

If you must make your beliefs known, then do so only in disguise. Mask your thoughts as support for your opposition, but undermine them by making the support feeble.

fiat_lux_ · 2014-10-28T20:15:53+00:00

It was hard to read this. You spent all this effort to row yourself up shit creek.

If I were in your shoes I'd kick myself first and then back out. People won't care if you back out in the long run if you come up with another idea and lay the foundation work for it.

I don't know about your specific situation with your group, but here is something to keep in mind:

Most people are followers. So long as they are not being given too much responsibilities, most people will just go along for the ride if someone else is willing to do the work and put themselves on the line. You sounded like you were confident about your ideas: "Anyways told everone that we were going to have the best paper and the best speech ( oh yeah, we also have to have a speech)."

... And so people fell in line. They may or may not have actually cared or have been "logically" convinced that the subject was the best one. Consider carefully if your group members actually cared about your choice of topic more so than they care that you were confident and taking the lead.

In your situation, I'd take my chances and come up with something else ASAP and, if forcibly questioned about it, admit in good humour that i wasn't thinking straight. Shame that I get for backing down is temporary and high schoolers have a lot of leeway in the long run. A bad resulting grade (for the entire group), stubbornness, and evidence of social unawareness would likely be longer-term sources of problems.

tracer123 · 2014-10-28T21:48:17+00:00

You don't sound confident or well read enough to convey your messages clearly.
You need to back out of this in a way that minimises damage, you know the situation best so dont depend on us for the best advice here.
Pick your battles more carefully.

oldredder · 2014-10-29T08:20:03+00:00

Wow, it's like you decided to do a project on how great Jews are and Jewish culture in 1938 Germany and present it PERSONALLY to Hitler. Because that's how you make sure your life after that day is real super-comfortable like, not a concern in the world you might end up on one of those special trains that never make return trips.

What the fuck did you THINK would happen? Doesn't matter what facts you bring, you're taking on war-pigs and they decide if you get to not be in school anymore, at least there, and otherwise fuck with your life while you get no such power over any of them to use as leverage to protect yourself.

Frankly I'm shocked you would be treated so badly.

You think you'll get a D-?

I think you'll get expelled and your school will report your family as some kind of child abusers for the "emotional trauma" and "brainwashing" you've been through and destroy your LIFE. Your FAMILY.

[deleted] · 2014-10-28T22:45:53+00:00

The first rule of fight club....

TheGingerPill · 2014-10-28T20:01:43+00:00

Christina Hoff Summers. That is all.

sloopyMcLoop · 2014-10-28T21:48:38+00:00

You're an idiot. Back out, "hide your power level" as they say.

Hank711 · 2014-10-28T22:54:48+00:00

if I go through with it, I'm almost sure to get a D- or lower, and get hated on by all the females in the class.

That answers your question, doesn't it? TRP might be about the truth and all, sure, but life isn't. You can either go through life as an idealist, or you can make the most of the facts on the ground.

Also, no one in your class gives a fuck.

Dev_on · 2014-10-29T15:46:14+00:00

Ok little boy, heres what you do.

avoid every meme on the subject you've ever read here. When you write, don't opinion at all, seriously assume all your assumptions are false, and go look things up. Then do it as if it were a proper research paper (google how to do that)

then get off the internet and wait until your balls drop before worrying about losing your manhood

CptDefB · 2014-10-29T06:55:04+00:00

This is really interesting.

Everyone is telling you to back out... I say, whole heartedly, write the paper and make it amazing. Feminists lose public debates. Every time. Your teacher can be all, "omg, that's just stereotyping" because she's a part of the sisterhood, but facts do not lie. In the face of facts that overwhelm whatever cherry picked evidence they bring to the table (omg! 77 cents per dollar!! 1 in 5 raped!), they invariably fail in being able to argue the point and will repeatedly change the subject. Actually, that sounds like arguing against a woman in general, feminist or otherwise.

You've given 8 bullet point examples. 3/4ths of a page per point (I know you can do more), is easily 3/4ths of your paper. Throw in an introduction about the origins of modern Feminism, gloss over a few consequences (more unprotected sex (are STDs on the rise?), more single mothers made yet less children being born, the effects of the latter on the economy and the rise of the welfare state (again, with less children to pay everyone!), extrapolate how that affects societies and bam... you have a transition into your first example, the downfall of Rome. Depending on what you do, Rome might actually make a great concluding point as the downfall of the West is in the back of every educated person's mind. Feel free to open with it, as people tend to remember the first and last, while blurring what's in the middle. Your call.

Again, 3/4ths of a page per point, minimum, and before long you're just tying everything together into a conclusion of... whatever it is you're going at specifically. Specific. Not "feminism is bad", or "feminism hurts us all", which are fine as statements, but weak as grounds upon which to argue.

Your teacher has already had an emotional response before even entertaining the subject, and so will most people have an emotional response before they even finish the paper. Because of this, it's important that you aim for an A+ paper, as opposed to just writing a B- paper. Not because you want to be impressive, but because you want to be comprehensive enough that regardless of their emotional responses, they cannot argue with your facts or sources. If you give them room to do so, their emotional response will overwhelm any validity your paper brings to the table and discussions will be about the emotions, rather than your information.

The only reason to back out, IMO, is because it's a daunting prospect... one that might require too much work for a high school project, and doesn't serve any immediate benefit. You could write this paper about ANYTHING, knock out a decent 12 pages, get a decent B grade, and go on your way.

That said, if it's something that you actually want to do, it's not like TRP hasn't given you more science and studies than you can write about. Just gotta find what's relevant to your paper/thesis and maintain frame when you deliver.

It's not like men haven't written about this before... don't worry, nothing is gonna explode.

edit: It's not like women haven't written about it either... Esther Vilar has already written your essay; she called it The Manipulated Man.

Gold_Mouth · 2014-10-28T22:49:13+00:00

Lol why would you do this? You got balls though, I'm not gonna lie.

Maxkiller920 · 2014-10-28T20:01:39+00:00

What's wrong with gay marriage?

TheRealMewt · 2014-10-29T05:08:58+00:00

Fuck off with that "please TRP, help me with my homework" shit. You were the one who asked to do this report on feminism. You made a choice. You built yourself up on the idea that you could see it through. See it through.

And get off your brother's account while you're at it.

n4cer126 · 2014-10-28T21:08:08+00:00

I admire your courage to broach the topic in your setting but I fear you're going to do yourself more harm than good. Why do you think so many in the manosphere use aliases? Because to do so using our real names would have negative consequences for their lives.

Those who most vocally critique feminism, Roosh, Forner, Cappy etc, have 1 thing in common, they are immune to the slings & arrows of polite society. They are set up financially so that taking negative action against them is extremely hard to do. Unfortunately for you your teachers have the power to derail your future by proceeding as you desire. Unfair, yes. However life is unfair. I advise you to tread lightly

[deleted] · 2014-10-28T23:21:19+00:00

Back out or just spew the rhetoric. From what you wrote, you'd better have a gun on you if you're presenting that.

[deleted] · 2014-10-29T01:05:53+00:00

Look, your purpose in this class is to get passed through so you can eventually get a piece of paper that makes you employable. If you learn something there, that's great too, but don't lose focus.

You aren't there to change the world or even change minds. What you should have done was pick a subject that you know appeals to the Powers That Be and is easy to bullshit on, take your passing grade, and move the fuck along. Placation is better than education.

If I were you I'd change the topic to something socially acceptable and deal with the fallout.

BrothaTom · 2014-10-29T02:32:50+00:00

Would you be able to reframe this as a form of thought experiment, something more light-hearted.

Couple days ago the Chief Executive of HK said that (roughly translated to) "HK cannot have full democracy because it will be affected by too many poor people." As far as the public goes everyone all went apeshit, but when speaking to colleagues and friends in private they all admit what he said was also the truth. What I am trying to say this, perhaps you can focus on a few specific case study on the adverse effect of feminism and blanket your language acceptable to your audience. If the reversed form of what you said happened to me, I wouldn't listen to women talk about men either, at least not without some serious reframing.

Treat your paper not as a statement, but as a conversation.

[deleted] · 2014-10-29T03:08:19+00:00

It sounds like you might be taking some stances for the sake of controversiality, which can lead to heated debates you can't win. Don't bite off more than you can chew. There's nothing wrong with taking an alternative viewpoint, but you'd better know both sides completely and have the suave confidence to coolly and logically refute any counterpoint. Feminism is too broad a topic - targeting a specific issue like insurance costs is much more manageable.

SpongeCroft · 2014-10-30T11:32:19+00:00

she would call everything that we said " stereotyping women".

isn't feminism about stereotyping men? what's the difference?

foldpak111 · 2014-10-29T03:23:01+00:00

When you go to school, you need to just play their game and get a good grade. When you go to work, you need to just play their game and get a good grade. It's all about conformity in those environments.

niczar · 2014-10-28T20:38:47+00:00

Downfall of Rome

That's so fucking retarded.

Wumpus1 · 2014-10-29T03:07:14+00:00

Dont listen to the haters, have some fun, stir some real shit up and see how dumb you can make your teachers look. You are in high school, its your time to fuck around and see what happens!

First rule of TRP only really applies in more sophisticated adult life where you have something to lose.

Title	I done fucked up now. Chose to do a high school 12 page paper on feminism, now I'm on very thin ice
Author	ItsRaul
Upvotes	0
Comments	40
Date	October 28, 2014 7:51 PM UTC (11 years ago)
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