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The point of TRP should be to have healthy peronsal development, not to dominate or score "alpha points"

vkob

December 15, 2014
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Title The point of TRP should be to have healthy peronsal development, not to dominate or score "alpha points"
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vkob

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Date December 15, 2014 4:27 PM UTC
(11 years ago)
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Its not the gender discrimination against men that bothers me. Its that its never acknowledged

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September 16, 2013
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[–]circlhat3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I agree with everything you said, however TRP has always been about this, some people may not see it that way , but most of us feel the same way.

If you're bragging about getting a handjob from a "HB7.5" virgin off of Tinder in your "Tinder game" guide, you're not an alpha.

That was never the point of TRP but its helpful as it gives a lot of guys hope that it can happen to them if they do xyz.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm glad someone agrees with this. I was beginning to feel very isolated on this sub.

[–]the_red_scimitar0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, every time I've mentioned anything like this, the wanna-be's who are too insecure in their pseudo-alphaness try to shut it down. They NEED the right to be assholes.

[–]SirScotland1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I hope to see more posts like this, putting TRP back on the path it originally followed and what it originally meant. TRP is about understanding women and how men can positively interact with them with the aim of achieving happiness for both sexes - although of course we prioritize our own happiness.

We should all be here for constructive advice on how to improve our lives through exposure to truth, lets remember that and not become shallow.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Excellent reply and I fully agree. I think we have to be more vocal about it if we want to steer this sub in the right direction.

Look, I'm not anti getting buff and laid and all that. But that's a symptom of healthy development. If you correct your behavior and respect yourself others will respect you as well, including women.

By picking up girls with low self respect off of tinder for a one night stand are you really fulfilling yourself? We should be asking those questions.

If society labels us as testosterone filled "boys" who want nothing but pussy and beer and we behave as such... How are they wrong?

[–]Red_King_Rising0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

For some men shallowness as you call it is the goal.

[–]the_red_scimitar0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So they think. It's a sign of true shallowness that they think so. It isn't in any way complimentary.

[–]Hokuto199x5 points6 points7 points 11 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

TRP is just reality. How we utilize our knowledge of reality is on us. We get a lot of posts saying what it "should be about" or "what it's really about" - It's not really "about" anything deeper than explaining reality, especially in terms of male/female dynamics and sexual strategy. The field reports we read here are just attempts at real world application of the knowledge. If you want to use the knowledge to get laid, then I guess that's what it's about for you. If you want to use it to have a happy marriage/family, then that's what it's about for you. One of the things people grapple with is the fact this is amoral. That means it's not good nor bad; it just is. You can do good or bad things with any type of knowledge.

[–]Endorsed Contributorvacuu2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Thank you, this is exactly what it's about. As an abstract concept, it is supposed to be reality, an explanation of cause and effect - nothing more, and nothing less. What someone chooses to do with that information is up to them.

Any individual's post will in practice have a bias one way or the other toward what they personally feel "should be done", but that's all just personal opinion which is inherent in any open discussion.

I think the OP is unintentionally concern trolling. Usually a good indicator of this is the phrase "we should" or "should be" in the title. Once we start going down that path there really isn't a definite conclusion which can be reached.

And furthermore, I believe it reveals inherent insecurity when one feels a need to "correct" the world to be how things "should be". I believe this is in fact a hallmark of feminist thinking that is rampant throughout reddit and the world. It takes a lot of strength and fortitude to change yourself instead of forcing the world to change.

It doesn't mean we shouldn't try to change the world toward some ideal. The difference is how we go about it. We don't ask someone else to change. We don't rely on anyone else for our need for change to be met. The way it is effectively done is to make oneself into one's own ideal version of how things should be. Physically, mentally, spiritually. By being the embodiment of such ideals, thats how you prove that they are correct, desirable, and inspire others to follow your path. It's leadership by example. Being men, we are each experiments. We can be anything we want. Our value is in our achievements, our actions, proving what the right thing to do is even if no one chooses to follow in our footsteps.

I understand where the OP is coming from and sympathize, but swallowing the red pill is coming to terms with our intrinsic loneliness and independence. That's why it's so hard and takes a long time to fully absorb. Talking about things in groups, such as what we should all think or agree on, is ultimately just creating an illusion of not being alone and independent. It doesn't matter what we all agree on, or if we all in fact can agree on how things should be. It can never be the case, the only thing we can really accomplish is self-deception. There is an objective truth that we have to figure out for ourselves, and no type of consensus or agreement helps us get closer to it. Only ego destruction on a personal basis gets us closer - a painful process. Anyway, that's my bitter tea for this morning.

♂

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 11 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

This black and white approach is one of the worst things I see on TRP. TRP is not reality, it's how WE see the world, and because of subjective bias it can never be reality. You don't think feminists aren't out on their forums talking about how they see things objectively? I think society has fucked with both male and female minds quite a bit and the solution is as much objectivity as possible. The first thing we should do on TRP is to teach men to stop basing their self worth on pussy stats, gym stats, financial stats and social stats. It's not fucking healthy and no amount of ass, abs, cash or ragers will correct a lifetime of confused choices. Men are confused because society trying to condition us not to be beta while respecting and being attracted to alpha men. It's a mind fuck. So guys think "what can I do to get laid and get what I want" and start doing stupid shit while not asking yourself "do I really want this or was I told that I want this". Is anyone on this tread asking this question?

Isn't it just another mindfuck to discount girls for LTR potential if they've fucked too many guys but to ignore girls that don't put out by the xth date. What land are we living in where this is sustainable alpha behaviour? You'd expect women to be liars then because they'd never get an LTR or any attention from men unless they put out. Someone's having sex with someone so unless we're all having sex with the sluttiest 1% of the female population who's going to have any meaningful relationships with women on this sub? It makes no fucking sense.

[–][deleted] 2 points2 points2 points 11 years ago | Copy Link

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[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I just wanted to know if I'm the only one that confused by the bi-polar messages coming from the sub. Glad to know I'm not the onlyone.

[–]magus6780 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

There is a fair amount of cognitive dissonance here, even though I think the main strength of the sub is being able to face hard truths.

As existing as a man has more variables than how much pussy you are getting, TRP is simply not equipped to make you an actualized male by itself. It's a great starting place though.

[–][deleted]0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

You are still in the anger stage. Your jealousy about field reports where men have had success and how men have turned their marriages around are key examples of red pill posts that have been part of this sub since the beginning.

The best field reports contain great tips about how to improve your application of TRP. If you don't like them, they are well marked with flair so don't read them.

Personally I enjoy reading how the virgin who has never had success before, opened his eyes, spit some game and got a girl to get him off. The first few successes mean much more than the latter ones. You always remember your first few, the rest blur together in time and aren't as meaningful.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

First off, am I angry and jealous I'm not in a dysfunctional marriage? No thanks. I'm not married and won't be for another decade because I have nothing to gain from marriage and everything to lose.

2nd, the guy was bragging about getting a handy from a virgin, not as a virgin.

[–][deleted]0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I didn't see that post, I was generalizing in the fact that a guy can come on here and crow a little bit about his success is a good thing. There is so few places where it is safe and accepted to do so. Tearing down peoples successes because it doesn't meet your definition is a shit thing to do. It's what women do to each other out of jealousy.

Read a bit more, post something that's not concern trolling and contribute properly.

[–][deleted]0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I see you contribute to /r/realtionships more than here so this is advice for you - GO READ THE SIDEBAR

Coming in here and judging TRP after posting crap like this shows you have a long way to go http://www.redditlog.com/snapshots/1383209

Most of your contributions are tearing others down, commenting on posts you know nothing about. You have much to learn, be quiet and do so.

[–]Hokuto199x0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

To be clear - there is no such thing as "absolute knowledge" but insofar as we all observe a certain shared reality I can say the TRP's model closely fits my observations of that reality.

[–]Nicolay770 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Right now TRP forum is the home of a counter movement to feminism. It is over-the-top precisely because feminists are already over-the-top. In other words, the people stick to behaviours that get a response, and ignore what doesn't make any difference.

Otherwise it would be ignored/lost in the noise/whatever, and I'm sure lots of previous measured responses against feminism were lost in the noise and now are all but forgotten.

If you read 'The Manipulated Man' it also feels way over-the-top. It however said some things that no one else dared to say in its day. TRP is the same, is trying to say what no one else dares to say now in the modern media where even causing women some mild discomfort on TV is a serious sin. All the while real women are suffering grave torture in Islamic countries.

However, The Red Pill is also something else.

My own understanding of what that something else, is the following:

Twelve thousand years ago both men and women were tribal polygamous, we basically fucked all the time whoever we wanted. Children were not raised by their parents, but by all the tribe. Who was the biological father did not matter. All children respected all adults. Life was good. Humanity evolved in that environment.

Then agriculture became extraordinarily popular and suddenly land ownership and inheritance became paramount.

We don't know most of the details, but this changed our society and monogamy appeared as a way to prove male inheritance rights.

We have been struggling to force everyone into a monogamy cast, while our genetics still dictate tribal polygamy. We used to fuck like bonobos, and it's still in our genes.

Of course, both sexes have been slowly adapting to the new reality.

Females, being more flexible in their sexual make up, have adapted faster than us. But they did not adapt to monogamy. They adapted to something similar to chimpanzee polygamy. One alpha male copulates with the females in front of everyone, and the beta males copulate with the females without the knowledge of the alphas, however the human version was somehow twisted along the way.

The Red pill is the human males adapting to this current female sexual strategy.

While some people believe monogamy exists (because it has centuries of relentless state and church propaganda behind it), the truth is that it has never really caught.

All we have now is our genetics telling us one polygamous thing, our original nomadic polygamous culture totally destroyed and forgotten, and the insidious monogamous propaganda in its place. We have to figure out what to do with it.

And The Red Pill is also what we are figuring out about what to do with our genetics and current culture, for the future generations. It's all baby steps, but I am an optimist and I think it's promising.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Valid answer. I completely agree with everything you said. Our social progress is out of step with evolution and it's confusing as fuck. But it seems that everyone's aim on this sub is to fuck and dominate your way to success and it's... Well it makes us seem exactly like what fem-nazis make us out to be... And I have a problem with that.

The appropriate action isn't a counter-overreaction. Alpha males come up with measured responses.

[–][deleted]3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Concern trolling. If you don't like certain content, down vote it, don't post walls of text complaining about how certian posts don't make you Haaaaapppyy.

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points0 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Go back to reading posts about guys bragging that they nailed several chicks with no self esteem...

[–][deleted]0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Sounds like you are passing judgement on the quality of the girl that the guy is having success with out of jealousy. The fact that other guys are getting laid and you are not must piss you off something fierce.

See, anger stage, don't worry it passes eventually.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I get laid plenty, trust me. I also went through the stage of flash ypur cash and abs to get laid and found it very in fulfilling. I just thought it'd be wise to question some assumptions on this sub. Seems like everyone wants to be Brucie from gta here. Who am i to try anf change their minds...

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

performing these self-improvement actions for female validation is perfectly fine. TRP strategy will open your eyes to the differences you can make in your life and THAT FEMALE ATTENTION IS NOT THE ONLY GAIN YOU'RE EARNING

I say go ahead and do it for the women if that's what motivates you. you will change if you work hard enough

when you start to notice your sense of self, relationships, friendships, and career interactions improve, you notice it was worth it even if done for the wrong reason

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I see a lot of posts that are bragging and guiding the wrong way. That's all I'm saying about this post.

Again, go out and get laid, lift and all that shit. But the main goal should never be pussy because then you'll never have a healthy self image or a healthy relationship with a woman.

[–]tyofwa1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Im upvoting this to get the conversation going, but agree that this is a borderline concern troll.

I agree in principle that your citations don't define Alpha. However, the true Alphas are probably not hanging out in this forum unless they have a teaching motivation (like Rollo's occasional posts). Consider the rest of us to be Alphas in Training (AIT). Through this lens, consider any progressive academic process; Ill use math as an example:

  • If you are confident performing addition with four-figure numbers, you are not a rocket scientist

  • If you are able to calculate a restaurant tip in your head, you are not a rocket scientist

  • If you just landed an A+ grade on quadratic equations, you are not a rocket scientist.

AITs need incremental accomplishments. They need lessons which may fall short of true Alpha, but lead them in the direction of Alpha. We need support, encouragement, critical feedback, and "lesson plans".

Buddhists seek Nirvana. The Buddhist journey involves many lessons which cannot DIRECTLY correlate to achieving Nirvana; yet the sum of all the lessons pave a path to it.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, but the whole point is "do I even want to be a rocket scientist?" If your end goal is to have a relationship with your wife where you get your way all the time and there's no healthy dialogue... How the fuck is that alpha and why do you want your life to go in that direction?

[–]tyofwa0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Post was deleted, so this is probably for just you -

I want a marriage like Rollo's. The more I move that direction the happier my wife has become (her own words). Again, the AIT context is about a lesson plan and journey.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well then you should not waste time with /r/therocketsciencetheory

Why are you talking like a feminist cunt? When did anybody say that the goal is to marry a slave girl?

Do you really want to talk shop?

You don't get you way period, a relationship is about doing what is best for you as a couple, that implies neither you or her get you way. You are not individuals in a relationship, you are a symbiot, you have one will. This can not be achieved just trough dialogue, that is retarded. Having a 50% divorce rate in a era where it's common knowledge to "talk" to your partner should give you a hint in that direction.

Tackling with other people's egos, crushing them and keeping your own ego in line while making optimal decisions for the greater good is alpha.(that is how you earn respect and loyalty) Again, that can't be done by talking things out because people are selfish, petty, small minded, defensive and individualistic. If there are no camps you can have unity, you can have a unified front.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

men need constant feedback about progress, we breed insecurity otherwise.

Good point about the buddhist, they don't seek nirvana, they accept the pain of life and go on with it. The same goes with the red pill, once you stop wanting(the source of pain for buddhists) and just live in the now, getting the best out of reality, they you are truly free to live, you are truly free to build(not search) a great life. So the first step is to remove that wanting, that idealisation that hope with real life joy, achievements. They don't need to be noble or even moral, they need to be gratifying to teach you that all happiness like sadness is achieved in the present. Dwelling on the past or fantasising about the future is a defective strategy. And that means you fuck everthiny that smiles at you, you go for every single shot until you say, yeah, even if I don't have a future, the present is pretty nice.

I can handle my dreams not coming true, I made this present happen for me, I am pretty awesome at life, I'll do good whatever the future happens to throw my way.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

Concern Trolling

Since we're getting more and more users every day, the signal to noise ratio is bound to decline by at least a little bit. Because of this, we have decided that one such dampener to signal is concern trolling. From this point forward, we will delete any post that attempts to "steer" the subreddit or complains about the direction of content.

If for some reason you're not happy with the quality of posts here, I encourage you to upvote good material, downvote bad material, and submit your own high-quality material.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

So you can't question the direction that the sub is going? You can only vote up or down eh? Let me people vote up or down on my post and it'll either be on the front page or it won't.

BS

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

unfortunately there are plenty of idealists that will love your post, however that doesn't make it valuable.

Idealism is always more popular than realism.

[–]Gorillalpha0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I wish the people that down vote shit I say, explained why they do so. Like you're doing right now. I think we can all learn from each other if we are a little more critically to each other.

[–]gg_s0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Take it like a man, for god's sake. People can vote you up or down for good reason or no reason. Nobody owes you an explanation. I'm not buying your learning angle.

[–]Gorillalpha0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Thanks for pointing it out. I just found out this thing called Internet, so i had no idea how that voting thing works and I have yet to build a shield for it so I can take it like a man, like you. I guess it's really silly of me to think that in a self-improvement community like this actual feedback might be handier than a simple down vote.

[–]gg_s0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

There's your mistake. This isn't a self-improvement community.

[–]the_red_scimitar0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Not really - while I generally agree, what you are seeing is a natural evolution. Almost anything good is created the by truly artistic, insightful, talented, etc. It is recognized as "good" for any number of reasons, and the way that it's attention spreads organically (as it has here) is a reflection more of the person/people who like it, rather than of the thing itself.

If the larger mass of people associating with TRP are only getting it through the PUA stuff primarily, it says they simply are perceiving it through their own filter. They would take some serous explaining to even conceive of other purposes, and almost to a one, they'd at best get it "intellectually", except for a very few who actually had other things in their life to which they could attach other concepts.

But come on - a huge majority here are in the early-college age bracket. Don't expect a lot of personal insight from most, as they have never looked before, and probably a great many never will.

Edit (more): So, this forum will go where it goes, constrained mostly by what the mods will allow. If that goes too far afoul, then other forums will (and already have) sprung up for those sub-groups who's lives and experiences have brought them to focus on those aspects that aren't what the popular forum(s) offer.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If you're bragging about getting a handjob from a "HB7.5" virgin off of Tinder in your "Tinder game" guide, you're not an alpha.

you're still more alpha than the guy that hates on you for bragging about getting a handy from a girl you met of a mobile app.

If you're writing a field report about freezing out your wife to get laid instead of directly addressing what is dysfunctional about her behaviour, you're immature and you're not an alpha.

controversial opinion here, if you married a woman that has a dysfunctional behavior, you are not alpha. Get a divorce and start getting handies of tinder virgins.

Who is TC?

am I not alpha for not knowing what you mean, because calling someone out for being crazy just because you disagree sound really weak.

This sub should be about taking TRP and seeing through the BS facade if what society is doing to men and the disconnect between what women say and what women do. It shouldn't be about getting laid as many times as possible. It's a completely unfulfilling thing to do, trust me.

I agree, this sub should be about swallowing the red pill and realising that modern women are toxic and no amount of good will and wishfull thinking will fix that. So why not strap on 2 condoms and go to town. Why not enjoy the yuckiness.

I really wished I could trust you but the hate towards men that actually try and make the best out of life tells me you are a small, unhappy, frustrated person. And I kinda prefer not to listen to people that are less happy then me, they usually don't have anything valuable to add. I have always had a personal distaste for people that morph their envy and bitterness into morality.(hint, a lot of girl hate that as well, but you know girls as you said, so I really shouldn't even have mentioned it)

It's not that an alpha shuts down other people or commands attention, he goes his own way and does this for his interest.

actually it kinda is. you can be a omega looser and disconnect from society and have your delusional mini victories but without people to follow respect and admire you, you still lose at life, it's just less painful because your delusional bubble is protected from reality.

which includes doing "non-alpha" shit, and I've never had more healthy attention from women.

sorry about the girl, but if you get laid regularly and still choose to chase the fantasy and need "healthy" blue pill validation, you have deeper emotional issues you need to address and no healthy woman on earth will sacrifice her life and uterus to make you feel loved forever after.

If you have meaningless sex with 100 HB 9s this year, will that really make you happy? Same goes for your six pack...

try 20, and keep 3 to 4 on the bench as plates, I guarantee you that at the very least you won't have this attitude problem, hot pussy really does wonders for grumpiness.(well it's actually an inverse causation, you can't get consistently hot women if you are a negative person)

behaving a certain way to get laid, how is this not beta behaviour.

it is, in the same way as behaving like a mommas boy to get emotional validation is the same thing, just way more emotionally lazy and sexually unsatisfying.

You're still motivated solely by female attention.

which isn't all that bad, as long as you don't get trapped and have the ability to stil pull young tail. Sure ideally you would go MGTOW and leave the cespool but that is to boring and monotonous for most men and comes with a lot of social backlash.

We are designed to enjoy life with the company of attractive women. So we do the next best thing, you make up your own rules, you enter the cespool knowing the risk and the rewards. We fuck the sluts, we have ltr with the homey girl and we have babies with those that have a lot of love to give. We take the best every woman has to offer and we stay aware of what we are paying for it at all times. That is what being a red piller is about, having a personal emotional accounts balance. Not using masked contracts, fees and special guarantees. Knowing at all times what you pay for it and getting the best deal you can.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

TRP should be about the rise nationalistic movements overthrowing governments.

TRP should be about having sex with as many women as possible raw-dog to pass on your genes.

TRP should be about bench pressing 3 plates.

TRP should blah blah blah blah blah.

Its not anything. You discuss something and move on. Want more pussy? Go to seduction in addition to reading here. Want to improve your finances and health? Go to /r/personalfinance and /r/fitness. Want to start the world? Go to /r/darkenlightenment.

[–]JackGetsIt-1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

It shouldn't bother you. There's really no scoring real points in an internet discussion board. I don't see how you can really 'alpha' someone who's typing something on a computer. The term alpha comes free real life face to face competition IMHO. If someone's bragging on a thread don't let it take away from any real advice you can glean from that person.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Exactly, jusdge the content, not the attitude. This celebrity culture makes us need role models mentors. But they are just people, with their own personal flaws. You should get the context and the solution or lesson.

[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points-1 points 11 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

So you think being Alpha is only about sports... If you understand where evolution is going you'd understand that's not the case any more. Really sloppy example: Drake commands just as much respect as Lebron James does, doesn't he?

[–]JackGetsIt0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Competition could mean anything. Doesn't have to be sports.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Bill Gates could code and never meet the other people and still be the alpha. What is your point?

[–]JackGetsIt1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

Bill ran a company. He got out and met people. He marketed and sold DOS to IMB in direct competition with another guy who had a similar software program named Gary Kildall. IBM picked Bill because he was the Alpha in real life not behind a computer. Which is why we don't remember the name Gary Kildall anymore.

Edit: What's even funnier is Bill with a fellow programmer essentially copied Gary's operating system. "The prize doesn't go to the inventor, it goes to the exploiter of the invention." Documentary: Triumph of the Nerds. That's ALPHA.

[–]Nicolay770 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Gates was ruthless all his life.

I read somewhere that his hobby was to beat everyone at poker. You have to really have self-control in order to do that in a consistent manner.

[–]JackGetsIt0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yea he's an amazing, ruthless, strategic thinker and competitor. I hope he stays alive long enough to have some more legitimate success with his foundation. It's been hit and miss so far.

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