I feel as though sometimes the most simplistic concepts don't truly get the weight they deserve until you've digested something so completely, that any iterative response to a concept, you've marched out in your head comes to the same road.

The female centric SMV can only survives so long as one thing is true.

Men care and continue to operate within the (female) SMV above the table, with duty and honor.

When the above statement is no longer true, the (female) SMV no longer favors women. And instead, it favors those that exploit it. The end result, is not difficult to see within sub populations or understand conceptually.

One can easily see the results of women being openly hypergamous and having no shame in that regard, and men quickly working the math to its end by looking to what Jordan Peterson was not able to outright state.

"What if women did all the work?"

What he was talking about, was poor black communities. What if every man still competed, but did so disingenuously, and for no reason other than sex? What if they walked away from their families, rather than assume their duty and burdens as men are expected? What if they stopped improving themselves within the socio-economic system because such growth was seen as weak and its lack of benefit, in terms of sexual selection, became obvious.

  • Nearly the entirety of proposed solutions involve "above the table" solutions. E.g. vetting, contracts, open relationships etc.
  • The vast majority of TRP users are trying to use the knowledge they gain to find an optimal structured LTR in which they believe a woman will be faithful to them.

This is, I think the clear fatal flaw of the (almost) entire manosphere. The entire manosphere can't imagine a world where they stop caring, stop loving women. They simply are unable to see women as anything other than capable of a love they never claimed to have.

Black dragon's ultimate conclusion is "get into an open relationship. " Which is really a way to hamster away spinning plates. A way to be "pragmatically romantic, and still honor bound."

This is exactly what I'm talking about. These guys just can't imagine a world in which they truly operate on the level that women operate on.

This is merely a stage until the final solution is clear. One the poor black areas figured out a long time ago.

All you have to do is stop caring, and anything is possible.

Every conceptual problem with the content involves male hamstering of how they can avoid being exploited, subject to unrealistic expectations etc. It's all trying to make it work in a way where they can live happily ever after. And all in ways that are above table. Get a better job, spit better game, be more appealing etc. Basically, be better at being a commodity within the system, honestly.

It is, I think intensely racist to think that poor black men didn't want the same things affluent white men want now. I believe Rollo's statement of men being the true romantics to be true, but not beyond the statement that men are the more rational gender.

And that desire for romance does not trump rationality, for a man.

I think its much more reasonable to believe that poor black men wanted the same things that affluent men want now and invariably came to the conclusion that they would better serve themselves by rejecting the idea of competing honestly.

The birth of the player, really. To play, is to game. And to be a player, in a real sense, is to play the game dishonestly.

And therefore, I believe the ultimate outcome of open hypergamy is not some alternate game, alternate strategy or hyper competition, but instead the acceptance that game will be inherently inauthentic.

If men have to choose between loving women and understanding them, rationality will bludgeon their childish longing. And when that boy dies, the man that replaces him operates in a way that women fear.

Not because they are not attracted to him, but because he is impervious to the greatest exploit men have. That they care.