Q4RP: in your RP jounery since swallowing the pill how has it affected your view on men, the state of men in modern society, specifically men who are just off' in some way shape or form who find themselves at places like RP to begin with?

alreadyredschool · 2017-06-23T00:17:06+00:00

Do you feel bitter/sad/upset about the state of losers and betas who can't generate attraction and thus can't get laid and wish people would be more empathetic and understanding; or do you feel disgusted/ruthless at just how pathetic and spineless modern men are and who deserve the scolding and mockery for being so emasculated and who need tough love to get their asses in gear.

Nope, I don't judge other people. I don't know shit about their life and focusing on them is a waste of time.

Been thinking lately at how pathetic lesser men really are. Seriously, its fucking embarrassing that men are this bad off; that they're this awkward, maladjusted, off point, however you want to describe it, etc

Yeah exactly, like maybe they didn't grow up as sheltered as you, maybe they were in Iraq and have PTSD, were hit as kids, have a drug problem... your thinking neither changes their situation nor makes you better.

But I would totally judge all MRAs, MGTOWs, Incels, lookists and people who can't debate here in the blink of an eye. Just so you know somewhere on this planet is a guy that thinks you are shit.

NewOrder777 · 2017-06-23T00:22:32+00:00

I feel sorry for men who are truly alone. There are many men who, thanks to modern women, grow up in single mom/divorcee households, without male role models, without direction or inspiration for life. Then they use what they know to connect with women and get chewed out and ruthlessly shut down, with nobody telling them the truth as to why that is.

But that is where my sympathy and empathy ends. Men who enable women (white knights) really disgust me. Inner Betas like Pierce Brosnan and Hugh Jackman who are rich and famous and tolerate hags and whales for wives hurt all of us as they throw the dating market out of whack just by the example they set.

Men who offer their shoulder to women, men who defer to women, men who are waiting to marry women who have been whoring it up until their 30s, all of them are detestable and should be mocked. Men shouldn't be Elliot Rogers level misogynists, but they should have a healthy disdain for the opposite sex in order to keep them grounded.

OurThrownAwayDreams · 2017-06-23T00:26:50+00:00

I feel a bit sad that so many modern people place so much of their self worth into getting easy sex.

I don't associate with Incel types really, so many of the betas I know are already married. Raising anything outside of listening to them moan like fuck about their lives can cause them to get aggressively defensive, so I keep it mostly to myself.

Even if, for example, I outline my reasons for not wanting to cohabit for a while (in polite terms) they either start complaining about their own situation or getting defensive towards me.

People need to help themselves before we can.

darkmoon09 · 2017-06-23T00:13:27+00:00

I'd feel kinda sad for the ones who don't know, and would actually try and help them out if I could (unlike all the RP field reports). But for the ones who completely ignore the most basic common sense (orbiters) or the ones who know and don't try I don't care

darkmoon09 · 2017-06-23T00:50:28+00:00

in your RP journey

I don't acknowledge this "journey". All I did was read about sexual strategy and then get laid.

since swallowing the pill how has it affected your view on men,

I can more effectively judge a man's masculinity. (read: call him a pussy)

the state of men in modern society,

I don't acknowledge general RP social commentary because it's heavily biased towards an American political party.

specifically men who are just off' in some way shape or form who find themselves at places like RP to begin with?

What the fuck, man?

Battle-Scars · 2017-06-23T00:36:37+00:00

I sympathize/empathize with many of the abused young men that find their way to TRP/RP looking for answers. I have more of a meh attitude to the silly outrageous posts but am glad there is a space where men/boys can get a lot of shit out of their system and hopefully pick up some tools to become better men. Some never will.

I naturally have a problem with arrogant, entitled, whiteknight, silver spoon assholes, that make idiotic judgmental comments about "why don't they just get it", "they're just misogynists", etc.
But that's just me.

untrp · 2017-06-23T00:30:11+00:00

Honestly, it just makes me think less of the men who don't lift. I do find myself getting more and more disgusted at men who are physically out of shape and seemingly not willing to do anything to change it. If more men just put in some effort into taking care of their bodies and becoming stronger, then that would be great. As a man, I want to be seen and look like a man, and lifting creates that dominating presence that asserts masculine energy. I tend to think that all men should actively pursue that self image.

I also tend to get disgusted when I hear about boyfriends treating their girlfriends like they are so much better than them, and asking them for sex, and making sure she is happy before himself, and putting her needs above his own, and dropping everything to be with her.

Actually, I think those guys are the ones who disgust me more than anything else.

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Shaman6624 · 2017-06-23T10:21:39+00:00

It hasn't really changed. I still appreciate people in general and what they experience and try to give in this world. Sometimes I get confronted with overly beta men and I don't really care and just treat them like other human beings. If I come across a pale super skinny nerdy looking guy that's totally socially awkward I might feel a bit of pity that they can't enjoy their humanity to the fullest and go out there and meet people. But I know that almost everyone can do something usefull or knows something that I don't so I still respect them for that.

I always like to inspire people. So here and there I place a comment that's supposed to give them some perspective on what they're doing in my view but if someones to far gone I just let them be. I know how it is to rot away in front of a pc, have oneitis or other betafying behaviours so I also know that no addict is going to listen to you.

[deleted] · 2017-06-23T16:09:47+00:00

I feel sad for the ones who do try, and who through what ever circumstances are not at all successful.

the rest? if you are trying, I can help, if you are not trying, fuck off

most people deserve fuck off

winndixie · 2017-06-24T08:59:44+00:00

I was gonna say I pity them but pity is such a complicated word with many meanings. I see them as people who have a lot to learn, and sometimes i go HOLY SHIT RP WAS RIGHT, i know that i was like them myself, and then know i still have a lot to learn myself. If i shoved a "book" in their face, and told them all this, ill sound like a preacher and they wont like it. Everyone is going through their own journey. If bill gates gave me $1 million i wouldnt learn shit nonetheless how to run a company if it sounds hard. No matter the good or bad beliefs i take all information, test it, see how it works out.

DarkLord0chinChin · 2017-06-23T11:18:43+00:00

Lol, 70% of men are "pussified faggots" by your definition. The only men who are not so are alpha Chads who can actually sexually attract women, as opposed to providing comfort and security and getting a starfish PiV once a month.

It's not my fault that 99% of women are boring, borderline retarded normies who I wouldn't have any interest in if not for my sex drive and them having a pussy and being female. I refuse to adhere to your gynocentric masculinity standards, fuck you and anyone who agrees with you.

jackandjill22 · 2017-06-23T14:24:18+00:00

I feel very badly for men who are going to get left behind. There's a sizable contingent of men who just won't be able to get anything sexually. Porn and prostitutes is all they will ever get.

That "bottom third" we've been talking about in a lot of posts here at PPD lately is always going to be bottom third. They are never going to get out of it. They are never going to get sex, or relationships, or anything other than paying for a fuck or a BJ from some whore. They will languish in sexual ghettos where there will be no escape for them, ever. They will have to find ways to live healthy, productive lives that do not involve female companionship. They will be living most of their lives without sex, without relationships, without any kind of LTRs, and without FwBs. They will have to do without a core feature of the human experience. And if they can't find those ways, they'll languish and self-destruct, really.

I don't see any way around this, really. I don't see that bottom third improving to the point where they can generate real sexual attraction (not even the bullshit "attraction for a relationship" crap spewed around here)even among fatties, crazies, reformed sluts, or the damaged. I don't see them ever getting any sort of sexual gratification other than porn and hookers to take the edge off. In a different SMP, they'd have probably been OK. In this one, they're just fucked (and not in a good way) and there's no escape or remedy for them. There just isn't.

But at the same time, everyone, every man, has Red Pill information available to them. Every man has an advantage I didn't - the internet. They all know now, or should know, that marriage is a bad deal and should be avoided. They all know now, or should know, about AFBB, since women are openly talking about AFBB now and are openly admitting their use of that sexual strategy. Women aren't even trying to hide it now. Everyone can see women's quality declining. NOne of these things - women's declining quality, AFBB, and the near-demise of marriage - can be denied now, and even Blues can't help but admit the truth that's right in front of them all over the place.

I won't excuse men for not knowing this stuff. They have no excuse. It's available to everyone. And everyone can see it. And parents (especially fathers) and men, and male mentors, have an absolute nondelegable duty and obligation to start teaching boys this stuff, and starting around age 10 or so. Anyone who doesn't do this is guilty of parental/educational malpractice.

MorpheusGodOfDreams · 2017-06-23T01:58:02+00:00

Regarding your question, I am at a mix between the two. I feel sadness and anger at the fact that boys are raised to be spineless, but also lack pity because that desire for personal growth must come from within.

Basically most men are taught to be problem solving in everything but romance, and they have to realize the combination of their own past failure and the possibility for a better future in order to seek help. TRP or something similar is that help, and is probably one of the best versions of it.

Seriously, its fucking embarrassing that men are this bad off;

They are this way by design, in order to extract the maximum amount of labor and resources from them. Recognizing this is one of the most important parts of TRP.

"Quit crying, go kill yourself faggot" level.

this is honestly the better response, since women's hypergamous nature and their interests have never been clearer.

women want to fuck strong masculine men and not pussified and sensitive betas

exactly. If a man is not at least curious about the insane discrepancy between "female empowerment" and sales of 50 shades, then he is clearly beyond help. Good news is that many more men are beginning to notice the shit test that is modern feminism, and mocking the beta orbiters/white knights.

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