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Pual Elam take on the Roosh V incedent

wazzup987

August 10, 2015
3 upvotes
/r/PurplePillDebate

http://www.avoiceformen.com/feminism/feminist-violence/dont-mistake-my-nonviolence-for-pacifism/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1V5Pi0e954

Side Bar I dont care for red pill nor do i care for pual elam nor roosh v. But the feminist behavior IRL when they are challenged is unacceptable.

this isn't the first time feminsit have done shit like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iARHCxAMAO0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRWff4gCwTw

http://www.avoiceformen.com/feminism/feminist-terrorists-call-in-bomb-threats-and-earn-protein-world-millions/

http://www.cnbc.com/2015/04/29/bomb-threat-over-bikini-billboard-ad.html

http://reason.com/archives/2015/05/04/bomb-threat-targets-gamergate-meetup-hea#.pkkyqi:pkVT

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Title Pual Elam take on the Roosh V incedent
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wazzup987

Upvotes 3
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Date August 10, 2015 6:20 AM UTC
(10 years ago)
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Comments

[–]prodigy2throw#Transracial9 points10 points11 points 10 years ago (35 children) | Copy Link

No you don't get it. Feminists can do whatever they want to men.

[–]wombatinaburrowfeminist marsupial-1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (34 children) | Copy Link

Look at what happened to Anita Sarkeezian when she dared criticise them.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points10 points 10 years ago (17 children) | Copy Link

She sent herself fake death threats?

[–]wombatinaburrowfeminist marsupial-1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link

According to some tinfoil hat types who can't cope with the idea that she has been systematically hounded and threatened.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, just like how she said "GamerGate is mentioned by name" in her "totally real" (but, you know, police said it wasn't a legit threat) school shooting threat but when the letter was made public it literally didn't make one mention of GamerGate?

Yeah, yeah, her word is her bond, man. Totes.

[–]wombatinaburrowfeminist marsupial-1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

Police said that they didn't have the ability or resources to seek out the sources of the threats. Which is standard police response to online threats; the policing lags behind the technology. She should just name and shame.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

Police said that they didn't have the ability or resources to seek out the sources of the threats.

No, they said the threats were "not credible" and "that it was similar to other threats that Sarkeesian received in the past". Which is why they gave the go ahead for her to have her talk.

It's pretty hilarious you would claim a lack of resources when the USU police worked to assess the level of threat with other local, state and federal agencies, including the Utah Statewide Information and Analysis Center, the FBI Cyber Terrorism Task Force, and the FBI Behavioral Analysis Unit.

She lied. And given her long history of lying and bullshitting, as well as her history of working for a known fraudster, it's also pretty ridiculous anyone is still taking her on her word even when she is caught out flat out lying, such as she did when she claimed "GamerGate was mentioned by name" in the letter.

[–]wombatinaburrowfeminist marsupial-4 points-3 points-2 points 10 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

Cyber bullying isn't taken seriously. It won't be until a man is killed.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

Yes, fake threats sent to yourself that you then attempt to profit off of aren't taken seriously.

[–]wombatinaburrowfeminist marsupial-2 points-1 points0 points 10 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

People give you money for being threatened?

[–]scrantonic1tyNot BP-1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Any old chump can send death threats. She's a public figure, with all the information out there it probably wouldn't take me that long to find her address.

[–]TomHicksAntifeminist sans pills0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

Nothing?

[–]wombatinaburrowfeminist marsupial-1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

Gamer gate is nothing?

[–]TomHicksAntifeminist sans pills1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

Compared to having a drink thrown on you, and getting physically shoved off the streets? Nothing. Not a freaking thing.

[–]wombatinaburrowfeminist marsupial0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

Physically shoved off the streets?

[–]TomHicksAntifeminist sans pills0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Did you watch the video?

[–]wombatinaburrowfeminist marsupial0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

No.

[–]TomHicksAntifeminist sans pills0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Maybe you should.

[–]wombatinaburrowfeminist marsupial-1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Content not available at my location. You got cliffnotes?

[–]prodigy2throw#Transracial-1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

She got on Colbert report?

[–]wombatinaburrowfeminist marsupial0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

So what.

[–]prodigy2throw#Transracial-1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

What happened to her?

[–]wombatinaburrowfeminist marsupial0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No idea. Not available in my country.

[–]hyperrrealLoves fun[M] 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

This was in spam fyi.

[–]wazzup987Blue pill, you can beat me black & blue for it later[S,🍰] 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

probably for the AVFM link

[–]hyperrrealLoves fun3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yup

[–]impartiallypartial1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (56 children) | Copy Link

Are we really comparing those situations to one controversial blogger having beer poured on him?

At this point, as a man myself, I don't even care about the double standard and politics. We need to see the situation for what it is, a guy is literally crying over a woman pouring beer on him to the point he exaggerates the situation. The situation, which is about a woman pouring a beer on a man, is now made to sound serious like some helpless little kid being attacked by a heavyweight boxer. I don't even care if you are red pilled, blue pilled, feminist, or MRA; a guy whose entire community is run on teaching men how to be men is crying over having a woman pour beer on him. This is the equivalent of the tough guy at your beer crying because some woman came in and slapped him on the face.

Pull all the politics in the world you want, this is one guy begging for sympathy from public because a woman poured beer all over him. As someone who actually supports a lot of red pill ideas, this is just pathetic. Anyone that is impartial to the situation will know just how pathetic it is on the part of men.

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[–]HighResolutionSleepMen have always been the primary victims of maternal mortality.2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

jesus christ the voice of reason sings

if someone did this to any of the literally whos there's be fucking blood to pay

[–]Xemnas811 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

This. He might be slightly reacting like a pussy but he's also highlighting a double standard. And even the pussy behaviour I can forgive because if an angry mob followed me home, I doubt I would act alpha.

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[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (21 children) | Copy Link

What has happened to Anita cannot be compared to Roosh's experience. She's had rape threats and been told explicitly that she'll be shot dead if she speaks at certain functions. She has gangs of thugs following her all over the internet, threatening to do violence to her in real life.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

What has happened to Anita cannot be compared to Roosh's experience... She has gangs of thugs following her all over the internet, threatening to do violence to her in real life.

Right, that doesn't compare to someone getting violence actually done to them in real life.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

He had a drink thrown in his face, yes. No one hit him at any point. I still don't think it's ok to throw a drink at someone or follow them in the street.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

He had a drink thrown in his face, yes.

Which is assault.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Yes, it's assault.

But I'd rather have a drink thrown in my face then be threatened with rape or being shot/bombed. I wasn't comparing Anita and Roosh in the first place though - just replying to a comment about what Anita has faced.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

But I'd rather have a drink thrown in my face then be threatened with rape or being shot/bombed.

I'd rather that people who commit violence get locked away.

[–]Lonny_zone2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Anita was never physically assaulted as a result of her advocacy.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I didn't say she was. I said she received threats of rape/being shot/bombed,

[–]Lonny_zone4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Which is smoke blown by 14 year olds on the internet. I never cry about the racism and rape/death threats I have had.

[–]LSDawson1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Okay but when was Anita ever actually physically assaulted and/or pursued by a mob? Also, Roosh gets death threats as well.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Anarchism/comments/3gfqzf/misogynist_turd_roosh_v_gets_beer_thrown_in_his/

If this shit was being said about Anita, people would have very different things to say.

[–]MagicGainbowKeepin' it real, havin' a feel1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

The FBI has investigated her threats and found them to be not worth looking into, combined with others observations it's pretty obvious she fakes the majority of her 'threats' for attention.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

They didn't call them fake. They said the threats were on the same level as her other threats. And while the FBI may consider them low level, if you're being threatened with being shot or raped, you'd be stupid to ignore it.

[–]MagicGainbowKeepin' it real, havin' a feel1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They said the threats were on the same level as her other threats.

As in completely harmless?

And while the FBI may consider them low level

If the fbi thinks it's not woth paying attention to, i'd say it isn't.

if you're being threatened with being shot or raped, you'd be stupid to ignore it.

True, although considering evidence points to the fact she sen herself the threats i'd say she has a lot more lee-way.

[–]theozophSimply Red0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Twitter death threats are meaningless you should ignore them. From Slate, no less.

To compare :

https://toysoldier.wordpress.com/2014/06/01/feminists-death-threats-and-politics/

Matt Forney :

http://mattforney.com/became-hated-man-internet/

Compilation of the results :

https://storify.com/AstrokidNJ/women-s-hate-violence-and-death-threats-directed-a

https://storify.com/AstrokidNJ/feminists-threaten-matt-forney-with-death

So, everybody can now stop clutching their pearls at idiotic slacktivism on the internet, and resume their daily activities, thank you.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

I've had rape and bomb threats butthole. Anita ain't special.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Did you just call me a butthole?

lol. I'll add that one to my collection.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Yeah it's really fun, makes sure you add it to your vernacular too.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Ok, in future, I will think of you fondly as butthole-man, with a specially designed superbuttholeman outfit, with a window cut out at the back of the outfit for the, er, view.

Superbuttholeman tried valiantly to rescue people, but it was all in vain. People would just scream and throw rocks and died rather than be saved by him. Sales of the superbuttholeman comic books were similarly disappointing.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

All I can think of is the Trojan man...

Butthole maaaaan!

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

To the rescue!!!

[–]wazzup987Blue pill, you can beat me black & blue for it later[S,🍰] 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

it not about the beer but what happens aftrtward that concerns me. they followed him around like a lynch mob

[–]JP_Whoreganblack n yellow black n yellow black n yellow black n yellow10 points11 points12 points 10 years ago (18 children) | Copy Link

So men just need to "man up" and take all of the smacks, slaps, and beer pours that women want to dish out, amirite? That sure doesn't sound like "equality" to me, it sounds more like that women want to be absolved of any agency for their actions, and that men should be expected to be the more mature figure in the matter.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Let's not forget had the tables turned Roosh V could have easily been charged with assault.

[–]GridReXXit be like that-1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link

He could have walked over to the pitcher of beer (or water) and poured it on her.

I mean, that's what I would have done.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

This is really bad advice to give to men. I've seen enough guys be threatened or had the absolute shit beaten out of them by real life white knighters to ever advise a man to escalate an altercation with a women. For a mans safety I would even advise him to eat a punch from a women because if he tries to restrain her it might end up with him being pummeled by a few guys.

[–]GridReXXit be like that-2 points-1 points0 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I was thinking about the police or security.

But true white Knights could rock your world.

[–]JP_Whoreganblack n yellow black n yellow black n yellow black n yellow9 points10 points11 points 10 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

Yes, and you being a woman, you would have suffered no legal or social repercussions for doing so. You'd have been cheered along by your "guuurrrllfraaands".

A man couldn't even get away with casually joking about pouring a drink on a woman. Reminds me of another class of people who can get away with social transgressions without consequence...

[–]GridReXXit be like that0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

I've seen a man pour a drink on a woman after she poured one on him.

She was kicked out of the bar for starting it.

Also it was a drink. No one was harmed.

Just wet.

[–]JP_Whoreganblack n yellow black n yellow black n yellow black n yellow4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

She was probably fat or ugly. Fat/ugly women are the only women who actually get treated like men.

[–]GridReXXit be like that-1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

No she was just you typical lush at the bar. I wouldn't say she was ugly. She was pretty attractive.

But she caused too much commotion.

[–]JP_Whoreganblack n yellow black n yellow black n yellow black n yellow5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Was the bartender male or female?

[–]GridReXXit be like that-1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

The security was the one who kicked her out and witnessed the whole thing. He was male.

The bar was crowded.

The bartender wasn't even paying attention.

[–]JP_Whoreganblack n yellow black n yellow black n yellow black n yellow3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

LOL it was probably a financial decision. Men are the ones who actually buy drinks, kicking him out would have meant lost revenue.

[–]cxj75% Redpill Core Ideas0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah I could see this, especially if she had a history of such behavior

[–]Lonny_zone0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Way to spend a night in jail.

[–]impartiallypartial-1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

ya man the fuck up and quite being such a whiny little bitch

[–]kick6Red Pill Man1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's black knighting. It's using the same bullshit the feminazi's would use in order to call attention to how fucking ridiculous said bullshit is. I thought it was obvious that Roosh was attempting to play by their rules.

[–]Xemnas811 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

It wasn't that, it was the fact that he had an angry mob follow him home who likely would have killed him had he not have brought a bodyguard.

[–]abacuz4Blue Pill Man2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

who likely would have killed him had he not have brought a bodyguard.

What the shit? This is taking victim complex-hood to a whole new level.

[–]Xemnas811 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I suppose you have had an angry mob follow you home in the dark?

[–]abacuz4Blue Pill Man0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm sure he was scared, but it's still an incredible leap to go from "controversial public figure followed and yelled at," to "controversial public figure likely (not even possibly, likely) would have been murdered."

[–]Xemnas810 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Sigh, semantics.

I do not think it's improbable that Roosh would have faced an assault and battery by one of the people in that angry mob, if not grievous bodily harm, had he not have reached his hotel in time.

[–]LSDawson1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

What would you be saying if an angry mob was following around Anita and harassing her? Such dehumanization.

[–]abacuz4Blue Pill Man-2 points-1 points0 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well, if someone said she "probably would have been killed" absent the presence of a bodyguard, I certainly would think that person to be an idiot. That being said ... probably nothing? I mean, Anita getting "harrassed" is nothing unusual at this point, and critiquing video games isn't exactly on the level of what Roosh does anyway.

[–]wombatinaburrowfeminist marsupial-2 points-1 points0 points 10 years ago (18 children) | Copy Link

Mr jealous attention whore slobbering at the thought of bashing or killing a woman. Yet again. What a grub.

[–]wazzup987Blue pill, you can beat me black & blue for it later[S,🍰] 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago* (17 children) | Copy Link

you know thats a lie i went through that article with piece by piece showing you that it was satire of jezbel piece glorifying violence from women to men which unlike elam article wasn't written as satire. if you are going to criticize him criticize him for his views on jury nullification as it pertains to rape not (poorly written) satire .

[–]wombatinaburrowfeminist marsupial-2 points-1 points0 points 10 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link

So you don't think he's gagging for dome girl to spill her drink on him just so he can beat her to a pulp now?

[–]wazzup987Blue pill, you can beat me black & blue for it later[S,🍰] 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link

I think pual needs a filter between his mouth and his brain

[–]wombatinaburrowfeminist marsupial-1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link

Unfortunately for the men he could have once helped, he doesn't think so.

[–]wazzup987Blue pill, you can beat me black & blue for it later[S,🍰] 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

Yea well I can kind of see where his fuckitol angst comes from. The men's movement has been around since the 19th century. (Read e Belford bax). But the rub is that's when men's movements are polite nothing gets done. (Not uncommon for activism.) The problem with avfm (and by extension elam ) is it tries to play Malcolm x and mlk movement and comes out looking rabid. Seeing as the media loves to conflate the mrm with trad cons and twerps I plan on painting the twerps as the Malcolm X to the Mrms mlk.

[–]wombatinaburrowfeminist marsupial-2 points-1 points0 points 10 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

Mens rights is human default setting. MRM is like "straight pride" or "white history" in terms of underdog status.

[–]wazzup987Blue pill, you can beat me black & blue for it later[S,🍰] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

What on earth have you been smoking.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/uwekw/facts_and_statistics_detailing_male_oppression/

this list could be mile long.

[–]wombatinaburrowfeminist marsupial0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

You got an unbiased and honest source?

[–]wazzup987Blue pill, you can beat me black & blue for it later[S,🍰] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago* (7 children) | Copy Link

How about you look at the post. also that simply is possible because out side of the MRM no one talk in real way about mens issues. now why dont you click through a few links. or you could just complain about biased sources about mens issues when i link you a vetted list with references.

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://i.imgur.com/GArQrtB.jpg&imgrefurl=http://imgur.com/gallery/QAMU0&h=350&w=620&tbnid=Xf9IofiMYmqOuM:&docid=qaf2yTITZEEIPM&itg=1&ei=qYbKVduiBoG1evPompAB&tbm=isch&ved=0CB8QMygDMANqFQoTCJubh-qYoscCFYGaHgodc7QGEg

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[–]TomHicksAntifeminist sans pills0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

MRM is like "straight pride" or "white history" in terms of underdog status.

Are white people at threat of having most of their wage garnished to support black kids they didn't adopt, under penalty of imprisonment?

Are straight people persecuted for being assaulted by gay people?

[–]wombatinaburrowfeminist marsupial0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Most of their wage? Lol.

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