What "counter argument" situations you had which proved that redpill isnt truth?

CyberLama · 2018-12-13T14:40:46+00:00

I found counter arguments for most things in TRP. Some parts of trp advocates for basically manipulating your partner in relationships, which is immature and unnecessary. Stuff like "never show weakness," "never show gratitude for her unless she does something for you," "always have other options when she inevitably cheats on you," and stuff like that. If you're having to micromanage not only yourself, but her as well, and have to resort to cheap manipulation tactics to make yourself feel less insecure, then that's not a relationship worth having in the first place.

Also, pretty much anything they generalize about women has been demonstrably false.

Yesm3can · 2018-12-13T15:00:20+00:00

I often say that followers of TRP are 'beta men LARPing to be apha men' (I know, I know, there is no such thing as alpha or beta. Using the terms just to make it easier to explain). Sooner or later, they are going to break frame, because no one can act 24/7 for years. Not even professional actors. I cannot endorse baiting and switching techniques like that as something sustainable.

If you just want ONS or anything short term, TRP might works. Just be sane using it, most of the time, a no is a no. Not some shit testing. She just really does not want you and nothing you can do to change her mind. End of.

Now what happen if your true self is someone who are physically unattractive, socially inept, financially challenged, with self-esteem so low, you can use it to wipe the bottom of the barrel? As much as I hate saying this, you are screwed.

Some people just 'have it' and therefore, it only makes sense that some people also don't. And people who don't have it, have to try harder and sometimes it still does not work. It's life.

Here is one thing though, you keep on thinking things over too much, just like TRP often says to avoid 'teh solipsism', it is going to ruin any kind of relationship you have. You won't be able to enjoy anything, because keep on stressing whether you are being shit-tested or not. But it is clear to see why. Many are pretending to be the kind of men they wanted to be, but they are trully not. They are afraid that their masks will slip and they are worried that others are doing the same to them.

Edit: I wrote this comments before reading your post history, now I have. I'll quote you:

i went from incel who hated all women to someone who acknowledged that he had girl who liked him long time + other factors.

I pretended to have strong frame by being alpha, but now its negative for me, because im too alpha for LTR, didnt give us comfort and enough trust.

btw i had argument with her and kinda used dread,

You see what I trying to say here? This is so far from being a natural born alpha, it isn't even funny. Re-read what you have written, do you want your sister, daughter, or any woman you love, to be with someone who faking it so hard like that?

bostezo22 · 2018-12-14T12:58:14+00:00

What exactly isnt truth and what is?

Could you see that anyone couldn't point out what is not truth in TRP?

The comments say how bad is TRP but anyone has counter argument.

The commenters here have a very total misconception of TRP.

Lilly077 · 2018-12-30T00:57:02+00:00

The fact that their advice such as dread game, abundance mentality, holding frame etc works on men as well - and they claim it's something that only works on women.

Furthermore, I was always disgusted by having to manipulate someone I'm supposed to love, so all those rules, even though they might bring male attention, were never something that made me satisfied with that relationship.

Other than that, I've met way too many shitty men to fall for the idea that most women are evil and irrational while most men are kind hearted champions of rational thinking. (I think the number of shitty men and shitty women is pretty much equal).

On top of it all, I notice how inconsistent their analysis is. For instance, if a woman cheats on a man, women are cheaters. If a man cheats on a woman, women are masochists who love cheaters. If a woman works, she's a domineering emasculating feminist. If she doesn't, she's a gold digger / parasite. Etc etc, I could go on and on with the inconsistent "logic" they use to explain gender differences.

Five_Decades · 2018-12-14T03:37:18+00:00

TRP tactics work on women with cluster B personality disorder or serious self esteem issues, but an emotionally healthy woman will recoil from them.

So it isn't so much that TRP is untrue, it is just that it only works on the most dysfunctional 20% of women.

raziphel · 2018-12-13T20:24:09+00:00

"The Truth" and "The Perception of the Truth" are different things. Do keep that in mind. That said, we have deductive reasoning, logic, and empathy to determine what actions are best, to understand why, and to sift away the garbage. Let's look at a few basic logical axioms we can adopt:

If you have to put others down to feel good about yourself - women, 'beta' men, or whomever - you're simply not a good person. If you have to hurt others to get what you want? You are not a good person- you are an abuser.
If you understand how emotional abuse works (research it if you haven't), and possess even an inkling of morality and empathy to understand why those actions are bad, you'll quickly recognize the patterns between abuse and the TRP ideologies.
If you hurt other people - physically, emotionally, mentally, financially, politically - they're not going to like you, let alone trust you. At minimum, they'll leave.
TRP abdicates personal responsibility for the appropriate consequences by blaming others - victim blaming. This creates a cycle of destruction and harm, for yourself and everyone around you.
TRP does not allow women causal agency and strips them of their humanity - their ability to make rational, informed decisions. It is at it's core wholly misogynist.
"Natural" characteristics and "it's just biology" arguments (used to justify abusive action and misogyny) are an appeal to nature fallacy, especially considering how society affects our personal development. It is bullshit rationalization.
TRP attacks, insults, and belittles anyone who disagrees or who they view as a functional "Other." It is built on selfish harm and outright lies. It pits "The Elect" vs "The Enemy." It is a cult; a selfish, narcissistic, toxic religion, built around a false construct: an ideal of what men should be that's wholly toxic, selfish, and dangerous.
TRP's addiction to misogyny is a gateway to other bigotries, such as racism and homophobia. It is a recruitment tool for fascists.

Any person who's experienced abuse - which includes most women - will see these red flags from a mile away and react accordingly. Redpillers are shooting themselves in the foot and ostracizing themselves. This isn't a bad thing, given how harmful the ideology is. They can rejoin humanity when they stop being malicious assholes.

No, their reasons for hurting others don't fucking matter. The outcomes matter more than the intentions.

Strong emotional intelligence and clear communication work far, far better.

alcockell · 2018-12-15T20:12:26+00:00

The whole AWALT mentality. Somebody cheating does not mean that they did it because they are brainwashed by biology. More often than not, people cheat because they have deeper issues stemming from their upbringing. TRP encourages us to assume that if one woman has emotional issues, all of them do. In a way, this is not entirely the fault of TRP because our entire society is terrified of cheating and tends to label cheaters "bad people" rather than bothering to try and understand the behaviour. This is what makes TRP so dangerous - it preys on a fear of abandonment that many of us already experience.

This TED talk helped me see the truth about infidelity and keeping a partner long term:

https://www.ted.com/talks/esther_perel_rethinking_infidelity_a_talk_for_anyone_who_has_ever_loved?language=en

aanarchist · 2018-12-17T10:50:59+00:00

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Title	What "counter argument" situations you had which proved that redpill isnt truth?
Author	kanteroalberda
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Date	December 13, 2018 2:14 PM UTC (5 years ago)
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