Gear: yea or nay

cleanguy1 · 2018-11-21T07:58:44+00:00

I’ll take my large balls and natural gains, thanks.

Deep_Strength · 2018-11-21T14:27:56+00:00

I think it would be a mistake to draw a line.

I've heard this idea described a few times, RnRchuck also mentioned it in a thread - Following Jesus is a direction you go rather than someone who figures out where the sin lines are. A "where do you draw the line" discussion occurs often with sexual contact, but you can draw analogies here.

I don't see a problem with getting some TRT if you are low. Likewise, if you obsess about how you look and T becomes a god to you then that is bad.

You don't draw lines - you go follow Jesus.

istruthselfevident · 2018-11-21T06:37:49+00:00

vanity

QUITxURxCRYING · 2018-11-21T14:58:37+00:00

How old are you? I wouldn’t recommend using anything except creatine tbh. Probably going to /r/gainit might be a good route for ya.

rocknrollchuck · 2018-11-21T13:48:56+00:00

If it's a health issue, like your quality of life is TRULY suffering, then I would consider TRT. So if my sex life was non-existent because I couldn't get hard, and TRT could fix that, then it's like any other medicine really as far as I'm concerned. That's one of those things to be prayed about and is between each man and God. What is okay for one man may be considered sin for another. The intent behind it is what matters.

As far as bodybuilding steroids, I don't see how steroid use would bring glory to God in any way. They may be useful for added performance in weightlifting, but they are not necessary for health and quality of life. They could not be considered medicine (I realize there may be a few fringe exceptions).

That's where I would draw the line personally.

Idunnowhy2 · 2018-11-21T15:11:44+00:00

I'm not against them. Several friends lives have dramatically improved from TRT.

TheBunk_TB · 2018-11-21T16:41:19+00:00

Actual old school roids? Be careful. "body is a temple" advice. Synthetics? Be careful. Osta/andarine? Obviously be careful but from a religious aspect Im not sure if there was anything else covering that. I know gym rat types and a few bodybuilder/phony types that have used/dabbled. Abusing and using are two different things. You only have one body!

Jalakee · 2018-11-21T17:06:26+00:00

Very personal health decision and one that should be made pragmatically and not under ignorance.

TRT: I've been on it, and will be on it again. If you have a legitimate need, e.g. persistent symptoms and verifiable deficit on serial labs, then I think it's warranted. You are not doing your body harm by bringing your T up to physiologic levels. Problem is, some guys will be symptomatic within "normal" reference ranges, and most GPs are under-educated on male hormone optimization and wont take you seriously. Plus, it's a scheduled drug. You are then left with underground gear or seeing a retail TRT clinic who will try to put you on not only test but other ancillary drugs as well, creating a dependency of sorts and a complex picture to manage.

AAS: I've done them, will probably do them again. They are great, but make no mistake you are doing your body some harm. How much is a question of dose, drug(s), duration, concomitant health issues and your underlying genetic predispositions. We really don't know much about the long-term effects of steroid use, at what doses or duration they occur. We do know that cardiovascular risk increases with dose and cumulative use, but to what extent---it's speculation. We know it's not going to prolong your life.

The other, psychological aspect to steroid use is that once you've crossed over to the dark side, it is very, very hard to go back to being a natural lifter for life. Most guys end up being on TRT eventually or never coming off gear. If your use was mild-moderate and you stopped at a young age, you may be able to rebound hormonally. But, they lure of those incredible gains and that dry, grainy, muscular look you can achieve is often too much to resist.

RedPillWonder · 2018-11-21T18:45:00+00:00

I think it's good to ask, is there a reason why one can't naturally optimize their testosterone levels?

Sure, it takes work and a longer time frame to get where you want, but worth it imo.

That's the option I prefer and where I'd recommend a man start. Diet, exercise, whole food supplements (if needed) and lifestyle changes can help a lot and get most men into the top tier of T levels.

If a man goes for gear, whether due to a medical issue or for speed/convenience to quickly ramp up their T levels, make sure you do so knowing all the risks, if any. As u/Jalakee noted, it can vary depending on a various factors.

Title	Gear: yea or nay
Author	ADSBLLC
Upvotes	7
Comments	13
Date	November 21, 2018 4:58 AM UTC (7 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/RPChristians
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