Advice needed on mental health (anxiety disorder and depression)

breakingbland · 2015-06-14T00:44:30+00:00

OP, I struggled with a lot of this in my mid 20's. Depression came first, then anxiety (mostly about the depression). Pure O (obsessive thoughts without a need to act out) came along with and left with my anxiety. Do some research on Pure O.

My anxiety came on very suddenly; it was triggered when I was very high for one of my first times. I realized I had been depressed and very unhealthy inside my own thoughts, and this triggered a panic attack. It took 2 months and some talking with a therapist for the panic attacks to subside, and another 2 years for the anxiety to go away.

Fighting the obsessive thoughts, which were tied very closely with my initial depressed state, was what kept the anxiety going. When I gave in and decided, "I'm probably going to live with these thoughts for the rest of my life. I'll deal with it." it went away. It wasn't easy to accept them as being "there". They were dark thoughts.

I suggest Exercise, Meditation, Therapy, and possibly Vitamins like D, Niacin, complex B.

Exercise makes your body strong and makes you feel good. Go lift.

Meditation teaches you to observe your own thoughts without fearing them or fighting them. Thoughts come and go. You decide what to give power to.

Therapy helps you voice what's happening in your own experience, and you can get some solid feedback from another human who cares about humans.

Vitamins: Do some research. These won't fix everything, but it makes it easier to deal with the tough shit when your body is getting what it needs.

I'm here, I'm alive, and I'm doing better than I ever have. You can make it through whatever you're dealing with. Just take positive steps and go a day at a time. Good job on reaching out.

Edit: clarity and words

shzftw · 2015-06-13T22:30:15+00:00

Think of your mental health as a square that has 4 equally important sides.

1.Sleep: Minimum of 8 hours a day non-negotiable.

2.Life style: Good food that fits your body (especially if it's Crohn's), no weed, no alcohol, no drugs, no smoking, lifting heavy things (gym).

3.Psychotherapy: The Redpill and introspection is exactly what every man needs. The good psychotherapists and psychiatrists that I know, try to teach fundamental Redpill concepts to people that haven't yet implemented these concepts into their everyday life.

4.Medication: That is a subject that should be discussed between your doctors and you.

Source: My approach and counseling methods as a psych nurse.

weiry6922 · 2015-06-13T23:41:27+00:00

Firstly, you haven't been diagnosed with anything by a professional, all your diagnosis comes from searching around the internet, so until you see a professional and he confirms it get that fucking shit out of your head, until it gets confirmed as far as you're concerned you are perfectly mentally healthy. Everyone has had those kind of problems. When I was younger I had that anxiety/depression shit, I was on pills for it for years starting at around the age of 16. One day when I was 19 I said fuck this shit and stopped taking those pills against the advice of doctors (probably wouldn't recommend that) and haven't taken them since. When I was 16 I was fat, addicted to computer games, ate nothing but junk food. By the time I was 19 I was fit, I ate healthy, no longer played many video games and had a social life, I believe it was that self improvement that fixed me, I honestly believe the pills had no part in it or the shrinks I saw.

So here's my advice:

If you don't exercise regularly, do that
Eat healthy if you don't
Force yourself to be social if you don't
If you have a close dude friend that you can talk to, tell him about your early issues
Find a passion and invest lots of time in it

I believe if you keep yourself occupied enough you won't have the time to be constantly stewing over your issues. You'll be too busy living your life.

devlindigital · 2015-06-14T06:57:52+00:00

You're experience is very similar to my own but you are addressing it much earlier in life. PM me if you want to chat more about it. I don't want to flood the thread with specifics that might be over generalized.

The_Ralph · 2015-06-14T14:43:34+00:00

I've suffered with depression and suicide attempts, so I can relate to some of what you're going through.

Professional counseling has helped me some, but in the end, and at the end of the day, you are still left with your "self".

I'm in my early 50s so it may seem easy for me to tell you, as a 21-year-old, that "it gets better." It would take volumes to tell you the shit I've had to crawl through to get to where I am, though. There is no magic pill (lol; RP) you can take. Medications may help; they may not. Counseling may help; but be careful there, too. You have to find someone you click with. Don't use anything as a crutch, though, because as I say in the end you're left with your "self", what is essentially you, at the end of the day. That's what you've got to learn to be comfortable with.

Canker sores and Chron's are stress symptoms/diseases. I suggest you try to get to the root of your issues. If you don't do it now, they'll come back later. And, fix yourself before you find a woman you think can "fix you". It doesn't work that way. I found that out the hard way.

Good luck and God bless!

[deleted] · 2015-06-14T17:27:49+00:00

I know it sounds tough, but get out there and volunteer on something really hard and strenuous. I volunteer as a park ranger, we go around building huts, fixing fences, moving heavy trees out of rivers and roads, generally maintenance, as well as tracking and some hunting. I generally do so much in a day, and all of it is so highly physical, I no longer have any time to feel bad. I go in feeling shaky, I come out with more energy than ever.

hatertauts · 2015-06-14T19:46:52+00:00

Just adding some things I didn't see mentioned.

Sunlight. In addition to all the other stuff, you need sunlight. If you can't get 4-5 hrs sunlight, at least take some vitamin d.

Also, stand up. If you can switch to a standing desk, do so. Take long walks. Use that time to be creative, as you think more creatively while walking.

ivkustov · 2015-06-16T13:33:34+00:00

Hi, there! Same shit whole my life. 1) Breathing exercises couple time a day. 2x15 minutes. You can 'meditate' but I'm just watching youtube videos during breathing sessions. Really works. 2) Supplements - magnesium, taurine, vitamin B6, vitamin C. Phosphatidylserine - great stress reducer. Also choline supplements like Alpha GPC works great on me 3) Read books on strategy. If you remove whole bullshit of out of psychotherapy and even if you remove all the bullshit from RedPill - you'll end up with Strategy. You need to learn and adapt strategy in your life. 33 Strategies of war is good place to start
4) Get passionate about something and get busy. 5) Lots and fucking lots of cardio. Here you are probably shouldn't follow TRP advice. Lifting is great, but you should aim at 1-2 hours of cardio everyday.
6) Low-carb diet. Paleo/Atkins. 7) Another option - progressive muscle relaxation . Google it. 8) Real meds (antidepressants and shit) - from my experience is total bullshit. It's certainly last option to use. Because brain medication fucks with your brain. But still an option.

[deleted] · 2015-06-14T00:28:59+00:00

From what I read I believe you are having an issue from psychological trauma as a child. I believe you have internal conflict on accepting "the frame" around things that happened to you as a child.

It's really agonizing to accept shitty things that hurt you. I'd definitely read the following book and I hope it helped you as much as it did me.

The Body Keeps the Score: Brain, Mind, and Body in the Healing of Trauma by Bessel van der Kolk MD

theHangedGod · 2015-06-14T09:24:22+00:00

Basic self improvement that other comments have already put.

I'll renforce eating healthy though. 90% of seratonin is produced in the gut. You have to have a good microbiome for good seratonin production. Fact check that on the Internet though.

Once you have yourself getting better in all aspects, and only once you feel deeply good about yourself, I would suggest magic mushrooms. Do your own research before you try and note that compounds in them are illegal. But mushrooms have helped me get over my social anxiety that started due to exclusion in my younger years. I was with a close friend who knew what he was doing, so that's a factor also.

Making yourself something you're proud to be has the biggest influence though. And once you start, never stop.

TekkomanKingz · 2015-06-14T12:06:13+00:00

GET YOUR DIET TOGETHER

There are a ton of people who are suffering subclinical problems. I am going to make a blog post about this as a future reference guide because enough is enough already.

Any chronic disease cannot be treated by conventional medicine. You must determine and out-rule food allergies and sensitivities. If your diet is not 100% clean and you aren't exercising combined with excess alcohol, rx medication or drugs you cannot expect to be considered "healthy".

vicblaga · 2015-06-14T13:06:29+00:00

First, do exercise, get your diet in order, try to be as physically healthy as possible.

Second I recommend Exposure Therapy. Helped me cure social anxiety and OCD. Recommended book: Exposure Therapy for Anxiety: Principles and Practices check it on Amazon it's also available in ebook format.

Spaceduck4000 · 2015-06-14T07:24:55+00:00

I have bipolar disorder and these are the most effective supplements I take to combat the biological aspect of it , in addition to medication which you might need. -colostrum 30-60g a day -rhodiala Rhosea , proven to reduce cortisol levels and would be highly beneficial for you -vitamin d 4000ug -zma -vitamin b -omega 3 - nootropics (Aniracetam in particular)

Do your research on all the above but I would highly recommend these as I would likely be dead if it wasn't for the above. Complex problems rarely require complex solutions.

red_count · 2015-06-14T05:15:00+00:00

So called "depressed" people in Europe and North America are making a big deal about nothing. They're upset their life hasn't been perfect, and will never be perfect. Life for millions of years has been full of suffering. Shitty things happen to all of us.

Think what life is like for the people in Ukraine, Syria, or North Korea. Yours probably isn't so bad.

stickfiguresk · 2015-06-13T22:44:30+00:00

Does being an egotistical pussy fall under hypochondria? I dunno what the technical term is for that. If anybody can help me out, I'd really appreciate it.

You're experiencing stuff that literally everybody experiences, but you're inflating it way out of proportion because you're an egotistical mama's boy that read a psyche book for validation.

The best medicine(in this case, humility) tastes like shit. Maybe you can feed your ego, and get better, by acknowledging that this post is right AND is a hardship you can endure(because you're so strong!).

Title	Advice needed on mental health (anxiety disorder and depression)
Author	fg2intw
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Date	June 13, 2015 9:37 PM UTC (11 years ago)
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